Hey, preaching to the choir. I thought our Lady of the Perpetual Sea Breeze was the real deal until the Divine Miss J walked right through that door and right into my ass—which is where my heart is…physiologically. I could show you an x-ray.

Lorne ,'Time Bomb'


Gaming 1: You are likely to be eaten by a grue

A thread for the discussion of games: board, LARP, MMORPG, video, tabletop RPG, game theory etc. etc. and all attendant news, developments and ancillary subjects thereof, as well as coordinating/scheduling games either online or IRL. All are welcome to chime in, talk about their favorite games or learn about gaming of any sort.

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Polter-Cow - Nov 12, 2011 7:25:53 am PST #13892 of 26134
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

BSG

That definitely helped. For some time, I was worried that Population might be too high for the trick to work, but then it was pretty clear that as long as they didn't suspect me, we would pull it off with no problem. And of course one of those early jumps was one I facilitated in the hopes that they would lose Pop. We probably could have afforded to stay for at least one more jump icon both those times.

Also, if Destiny had done a little better on that last check, they would have lost on Morale too. I was hoping for Morale to go low enough that the executions could win the game if Pop didn't. Which is why I volunteered to get off NC so that everyone else could stay down there. Which is why I volunteered to go to Med Center so I'd have to be XOed.

I know I was a lot less helpful than I could have been.

Do you know how many times I cursed your name for playing ICs all the time? I hoarded them with gleeeeeeee. Hell, when Gaeta played one too, I feared you guys would remember that I draw Yellow too and how likely was it that I didn't have one? I played one once to look helpful, but I think I held on after that because, godsdammit, like 90% of the damn checks were investigated, and it wasn't as much fun. Especially because Destiny kept helping Team Human.

I also hoarded DEs, but there was never even a time when we needed one, so that wasn't too effective.

I kept discarding Treachery intentionally in hopes that Boomer would Sabotage. When someone came in and was like, "Why don't you throw your Treachery into a tanked check?" I was like SHUT UP YOU.

I'm also surprised that no one cottoned on to the fact that before Sleeper, I was Adroitly giving everyone good cards. After Sleeper, I gave shitty cards or no cards. Obviously only the recipients knew what I was giving, but I know Adama should have been suspicious that the first time I gave him an IC, and then later I gave him a CP. Of course, the first time was a Cylon test to see if he'd play it. But, definitely, I thought it was super suspicious that my post-Sleeper Adroit behavior was completely different than pre-Sleeper, where I went out of my way to use the ability.

Also, you guys seemed to have forgotten that I had been assigned Chief of Staff, and there were a couple checks where I really should have made Yellow positive for us. Not that it really mattered because ICs made every check absurdly easy.

I had some pretty amazing hands, and I tried to play as low as I could without being too suspicious, but it soon became a balancing act since I was frequently over my hand limit, so I had to make sure I wasn't forced to discard high cards or ICs, which is why every now and then I helped a whole lot to get my hand down. I could have helped more pretty much always, though. We never seemed to have a problem with cards, though, so, again, that technique wasn't very effective.

Oh! There was that one time where we really wanted to use nukes but it was my turn and I remember thinking it would be a good time to use my OPG but obviously I wasn't going to suggest it. In fact, I never brought up my OPG at all because I thought you guys would figure out what I was up to.


chrismg - Nov 12, 2011 7:56:12 am PST #13893 of 26134
"...and then Legolas and the Hulk destroy the entire Greek army." - Penny Arcade

BSG

Especially because Destiny kept helping Team Human.

Oh, gods. Between that and Tory spitting out a never ending stream of ICs, I don't think I ever successfully spiked a check? I Revealed with 2 six-ers and a five-er and I still think they passed every check!

I kept discarding Treachery intentionally in hopes that Boomer would Sabotage.

Which I happily did, the ONE TIME I got a Sabotage.

And yeah, if they hit New Caprica with Pop close to full, the Win The Game Button may not work. We got lucky on those die rolls.


billytea - Nov 12, 2011 10:04:42 am PST #13894 of 26134
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

BSG

I've just finished a game on bgg playing Ellen. She's a good character, quite versatile. I spent most of the game passing XOs to Boomer.

I'm also surprised that no one cottoned on to the fact that before Sleeper, I was Adroitly giving everyone good cards. After Sleeper, I gave shitty cards or no cards.

Honestly, from what I've seen, it was handing off the IC that was unusual. Why wouldn't you keep the good cards? Then you know they're not falling into the wrong hands.

What you can do too is pass off cards for their effect. For instance, Ellen usually won't get much chance to use a Major Victory, so she could pass that to the Admiral. (Or pass XOs to characters who don't draw much Green.) Now, if you start throwing Treachery around, that might get attention.

What did everyone think of New Caprica?


billytea - Nov 12, 2011 1:21:03 pm PST #13895 of 26134
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

As promised, here are some observations about how the New Caprica module changes the game. For all that it occupies only the last quarter or so of the game, New Caprica changes pretty much everything, because it changes how the humans win. Here are some observations:

  • On New Caprica, the Admiral is king. A Cylon Admiral can jump early when the humans would lose, or refuse to jump when they would win. I have seen many games where the crew decided to execute a trusted Admiral (or Ellen, if she still has her OPG) "just in case". With Exodus loyalty rules, though, this isn't the safeguard it used to be (though it will still work pretty well on Ellen or Gaeta, since their replacement will have a different OPG).

  • On that note, it's a lot cheaper to execute people on New Caprica - it's just a 7 GPT check.

  • The game ends in a final space battle. It may be a good idea to keep something in the tank for it. If you can't evacuate enough ships to win within a turn or three, you'll likely have to stand and fight.

  • The key to a New Caprica game is Population. However, avoiding Population loss is less important than the
source of the Population loss. Consider:

Assume for a moment that all civvies just contained 1 Population. Say you arrived on NC with 12 Population, and 12 civvies. How many do you need to evacuate before the last jump? Just one. You can leave all the rest behind and you'll still have 1 Population and the win. Now say you had only 3 Population and 3 civvies. How many do you need to evacuate now? Still just one. You can escape New Caprica just as quickly in this situation as if you still had your full contingent.

But what if you arrived with 3 Population, but still had all 12 civvies? How many do you need to evacuate now? You can only afford to lose two ships; that means you'll have to evacuate 10 ships before you can order the last jump. 10 ships, facing crises and Cylon attack all the while.

What this means is that losing civvies before you reach New Caprica isn't such a big deal. As long as you don't lose everything (still a risk - best not to get complacent), it just reduces the number of ships wanting to be evacuated at game end. On the other hand, lose too much Population to other causes (early jumps, crisis cards, 'miscellaneous'), and you guarantee a long, hard fight on New Caprica, while you evacuate ship after ship to try to make up the shortfall.

  • In answer to the question of how the humans can win with New Caprica, then, the short answer is: protect your Population from any losses except civilian losses. If you can do that, you can be ready to jump within just a turn or two of Galactica's return. That way, the final space battle isn't such a threat, and there's less time for a Cylon to play havoc with the Admiralty. They worst they can pull may be to delay takeoff - troublesome, but not necessarily fatal.


billytea - Nov 13, 2011 12:05:58 pm PST #13896 of 26134
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

BSG

Let's start talking about the next game (which, incidentally, will be game 11).

  • Who's in?

  • How's your schedule for a start date?

  • New Caprica. Want to give it another shot?


NoiseDesign - Nov 13, 2011 12:13:23 pm PST #13897 of 26134
Our wings are not tired

I'm in. I'd love to give New Caprica another shot. I can start pretty much immediately. the only upcoming schedule conflict that I have will be travel from December 16th to the 30th, but I should have internet for most of that time.


Polter-Cow - Nov 13, 2011 12:41:55 pm PST #13898 of 26134
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I'm in and definitely want to give New Caprica another shot. I can also start pretty much whenever.


billytea - Nov 13, 2011 12:47:58 pm PST #13899 of 26134
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Excellent, that's a good start. But we'll probably want some human players too. Who else is in?


Liese S. - Nov 13, 2011 1:13:57 pm PST #13900 of 26134
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Wait, I'm not done breaking down the last game yet! So I played witnout a spreadsheet this time just to see how it worked. It was bad. I made some errors in calculation, and I probably missed stuff like pc holding onto ics. I was cranky at never drawing them myself, but I thought it was just laga getting a bunch!

I held onto the damn pp the whole game and never got to use it, although I alluded to it throughout. I was suspicious of Boomer before she revealed. Remember when I offered her a free get out of jail card when the crisis threatened it? I intended to act unilaterally and execute her instead. But she didn't get jailed, and it wasn't long after she revealed. So then I held onto it thinking I might need a get out of jail free card later. So Ellen lying low was a good call, 'cause I had an itchy trigger finger the rest of the game.

Anyway, yes, I'd like to explore NC further, but I also think there should be new (or old) blood, so bt make sure you advertise in the righthand sidebar. I can start right away. I have travel for the entire holiday season but in general that will give me more online time not less.


billytea - Nov 13, 2011 1:25:35 pm PST #13901 of 26134
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Remember when I offered her a free get out of jail card when the crisis threatened it? I intended to act unilaterally and execute her instead.

That would indeed have got her out of the Brig, it's true.