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everyone was SO CONVINCED we only had one Cylon

*I* certainly was.....

BSG (dead!Gaeta)

Woes! We even sprung you from the sickroom! Yeah, I was snowed.

We were dead anyway. And I contributed pretty mightily to that with my miserable use of interrupts there at the end, and lack of effective use of cards I did have.

Yeah, both of us (Ellen and Gaeta) chose our characters from the beginning with the intent to seize a problematic Admiralty should the need/opportunity arise. So it honestly would have been a disaster to have either of us as unrevealed Cylons at the end. And had Tory been a Cylon, she would also have been really tough to beat. Or the Admiral could have been a Cylon, who could also have pulled this move at the end.

Let's just say, mistakes were made, but our doom was probably written in the stars regardless.

Wow, Ellen even had this random observer fooled.

I do have to say, I wonder how the humans can win with New Caprica. It just seems really, really difficult. Especially since having the Admiral being a Cylon easily becomes an instant loss. (And has been pointed out, at least two characters have the ability to steal the title.)

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I do have to say, I wonder how the humans can win with New Caprica. It just seems really, really difficult. Especially since having the Admiral being a Cylon easily becomes an instant loss. (And has been pointed out, at least two characters have the ability to steal the title.)

As it happens, I have records of 46 New Caprica games played on boardgamegeek. The humans have won 22 of them, almost half - and slightly more frequently than they win base games. I'll have some comments to add once everyone's had a chance to chime in.

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The humans have won 22 of them....

Hmm. If I were to bet, I'd say those would be where they were able to clear out the Raiders and Basestars fast once Galactica got back, since after that the evacuated ships are pretty much safe.(Except for Broadcast Location) They'd also need to have a buffer of Population to absorb the loss of ships to Occupation Forces while they were concentrating on the Cylon ships - the whole "no human pilots" thing was a big factor, since we got to New Caprica low on Pop.

It'd be interesting to see how many Cylon wins were because of the Win The Game Button effect.

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Woes! We even sprung you from the sickroom!

And you XOed me like A MILLION TIMES. So trusting, you guys. Even when I was in Comms. Man, if I had ever seen one of those 2 Pop ships, I may have thought it was worth it to move it into Raiders, but instead I saved everything, even the decoy. ESPECIALLY the decoy, so you would have to waste time prepping it on New Caprica. Looks like it was at the bottom of the stack, though, so not much of an issue. And it seemed like you were skirting Raider activations so much that even if I had ever used a Comms XO to move a civvie into danger, it was never a sure thing that it would be destroyed; there was always a way to save it in time, especially because RSVs were there.

And Tory was like an IC MACHINE, so I rarely even had an opportunity to spike checks. And when it became clear that you all seriously, honestly believed that no one else was a Cylon, I never dared to spike a check. Sure was fun to make you overplay the hell out of some checks, though.

Let's just say, mistakes were made, but our doom was probably written in the stars regardless.

I think the game did most of the work, but I like to think that -10 Pop would have been a win in almost any scenario.

I can finally high-five Boomer openly!

Nice job on By Your Command, although I was so afraid that Civvie B would end up being 2 Pop and we would win before I even got to pull my trick.

Wow, Ellen even had this random observer fooled.

Hee! You should have seen all the e-mails between billytea and me. I was basically whining for half the game about how I was being a TERRIBLE CYLON.

BSG (Tory)

I know I was a lot less helpful than I could have been. I wasn't sure how to handle New Caprica and I completely forgot that I had a very helpful Quorum card.

But yeah even without my incompetence, Ellen had the power to screw us at any moment.

Very very fun game. I got the giggles every time we gave Ellen "the thing".

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I was basically whining for half the game about how I was being a TERRIBLE CYLON.

I was feeling the same way about myself most of the game, particularly after I flubbed a chance to use my OPG. Until we hit New Caprica, I felt like the only thing going our way was the humans blowing the early-jump die rolls both times.

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That definitely helped. For some time, I was worried that Population might be too high for the trick to work, but then it was pretty clear that as long as they didn't suspect me, we would pull it off with no problem. And of course one of those early jumps was one I facilitated in the hopes that they would lose Pop. We probably could have afforded to stay for at least one more jump icon both those times.

Also, if Destiny had done a little better on that last check, they would have lost on Morale too. I was hoping for Morale to go low enough that the executions could win the game if Pop didn't. Which is why I volunteered to get off NC so that everyone else could stay down there. Which is why I volunteered to go to Med Center so I'd have to be XOed.

I know I was a lot less helpful than I could have been.

Do you know how many times I cursed your name for playing ICs all the time? I hoarded them with gleeeeeeee. Hell, when Gaeta played one too, I feared you guys would remember that I draw Yellow too and how likely was it that I didn't have one? I played one once to look helpful, but I think I held on after that because, godsdammit, like 90% of the damn checks were investigated, and it wasn't as much fun. Especially because Destiny kept helping Team Human.

I also hoarded DEs, but there was never even a time when we needed one, so that wasn't too effective.

I kept discarding Treachery intentionally in hopes that Boomer would Sabotage. When someone came in and was like, "Why don't you throw your Treachery into a tanked check?" I was like SHUT UP YOU.

I'm also surprised that no one cottoned on to the fact that before Sleeper, I was Adroitly giving everyone good cards. After Sleeper, I gave shitty cards or no cards. Obviously only the recipients knew what I was giving, but I know Adama should have been suspicious that the first time I gave him an IC, and then later I gave him a CP. Of course, the first time was a Cylon test to see if he'd play it. But, definitely, I thought it was super suspicious that my post-Sleeper Adroit behavior was completely different than pre-Sleeper, where I went out of my way to use the ability.

Also, you guys seemed to have forgotten that I had been assigned Chief of Staff, and there were a couple checks where I really should have made Yellow positive for us. Not that it really mattered because ICs made every check absurdly easy.

I had some pretty amazing hands, and I tried to play as low as I could without being too suspicious, but it soon became a balancing act since I was frequently over my hand limit, so I had to make sure I wasn't forced to discard high cards or ICs, which is why every now and then I helped a whole lot to get my hand down. I could have helped more pretty much always, though. We never seemed to have a problem with cards, though, so, again, that technique wasn't very effective.

Oh! There was that one time where we really wanted to use nukes but it was my turn and I remember thinking it would be a good time to use my OPG but obviously I wasn't going to suggest it. In fact, I never brought up my OPG at all because I thought you guys would figure out what I was up to.

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Especially because Destiny kept helping Team Human.

Oh, gods. Between that and Tory spitting out a never ending stream of ICs, I don't think I ever successfully spiked a check? I Revealed with 2 six-ers and a five-er and I still think they passed every check!

I kept discarding Treachery intentionally in hopes that Boomer would Sabotage.

Which I happily did, the ONE TIME I got a Sabotage.

And yeah, if they hit New Caprica with Pop close to full, the Win The Game Button may not work. We got lucky on those die rolls.