Zoe: Planet's coming up a mite fast. Wash: That's just cause, I'm going down too quick. Likely crash and kill us all. Mal: Well, that happens, let me know.

'Shindig'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


lisah - Sep 02, 2008 11:46:37 am PDT #850 of 6681
Punishingly Intricate

Burrell that reminds me that I totally owe you feedback! My brain has been vacationing these last couple weeks.


Allyson - Sep 02, 2008 12:16:36 pm PDT #851 of 6681
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

laga, have you read any of it or should i send you chapters 1-4?


Laga - Sep 02, 2008 12:50:25 pm PDT #852 of 6681
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I haven't read any of it but what you posted on line. I'd love to read it from the beginning!


Allyson - Sep 03, 2008 6:01:21 am PDT #853 of 6681
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

insent to all with thanks.

I made Samwriter open your edits, Bev, I'm too scared.


Beverly - Sep 03, 2008 6:27:26 am PDT #854 of 6681
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Oh honey, you know I'm gentle. Plus, there's never much wrong.*

I am curious what he had to say, comparing his and yours, though. I was not ruthless with his chapter, but I was honest, and I winced about it a little bit after I sent it. He wrote me the sweetest thank you note.

*Where "wrong"="might need to be tweaked."


Barb - Sep 03, 2008 7:18:29 am PDT #855 of 6681
“Not dead yet!”

I was not ruthless with his chapter, but I was honest, and I winced about it a little bit after I sent it.

Bev is me here. I was the same way, wincing and all. which Allyson well knows.


Allyson - Sep 03, 2008 7:57:58 am PDT #856 of 6681
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

It helped him push through it, and he sent me a rocking draft, with fleshed out fight scene, bolder description...he rose to it. Which means I'm not facing enormous rewrites.

No wincing. He's crash-coursing it. I'm proud of him. It's been lovely to watch someone bloom.

The book is something that I've been wanting to quit. I can't keep the narrative arc up, I'm not imaginative enough to make it compelling fiction. It's all very amateurish, and I feel ashamed of what I've written.

Sobbed good and hard in the shower.


Beverly - Sep 03, 2008 8:08:54 am PDT #857 of 6681
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I'm resisting my usual "sweetheart" here, with some effort.

It is *not* amateurish, it's juvenile. Which is what it needs to be, as a kids' book. There's no need to "keep up" the narrative arc. Do you know the points Sam is going to hit on his journey? I think you've outlined them before. So all you do is tell his story, point to point.

Realistically, you've done that, with very few off-point wavers, and a wobble or two in POV: while Sam's story is being told by an adult with a snarky sensibility--refreshing in kids' lit--it needs to stay fairly factual in details because you're talking to kids. This is not a Disney version of How Lion Prides Work. The Lion King gives me *HIVES* with all the bad wrong information--it's not even really good storytelling, because you could actually tell much the same story and stay mostly factual to how nature actually works.

Which, okay, is a hobby horse of mine, and Kipling be damned.

But. Your stuff is whimsical where it works and reasonably factual where it teaches, which is exactly what it should be. No crying in the shower. Well, beyond what's just compulsory as part of the whole getting-through things.

Your truly unique voice is coming through, even though this is a kids' story. And Sam is a real boybat, and I'm eager to find out what happens to him on his journey to adulthood. As will all your readers be, regardless of age.


Laga - Sep 03, 2008 8:11:32 am PDT #858 of 6681
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Allyson I'm coming at the story as more of a fan than an editor. I've done proofreading for friends in college but I got so wrapped up in the story (and I'm only halfway through part 3) that I've had trouble noticing anything I would change. I think I saw a typo somewhere in part I. I will re-read and make notes and send them your way tonight at the latest. Is there a specific kind of notes you're looking for?

I'm not imaginative enough to make it compelling fiction.

wrong! (see above re: wrapped up in the story)

It's all very amateurish,

also wrong.

and I feel ashamed of what I've written.

wrong on so many levels.

edit: or what Beverly said, much more eloquently than I.


Allyson - Sep 03, 2008 8:20:18 am PDT #859 of 6681
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

There's got to be something wrong for me to feel this much shame about the writing, though. And I can't find a solution.