Mal: Can I come in? Inara: No. Mal: See? That's why I usually don't ask.

'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Barb - Aug 13, 2008 3:07:17 pm PDT #610 of 6681
“Not dead yet!”

I'm... wow. Go to Disney and get tossed about in chlorine-soaked pools and water slides and see what happens in a day...

You know, writing and how you choose to pursue it is such an intensely personal thing. I write because I have to. I sought publication because yeah, I wanted that external validation. But even without the external validation, I'd write, because it's something I've been doing my entire life-- I've been telling stories my entire life. (Most of us here do just that-- we're so many of us superb storytellers and I learn from all of you, every day.)

But you know, for every contract, I have the 50+ rejections letters to show as well, all on my adult work, which leaves me feeling like not only was young adult writing this massive fluke that I fell into, but maybe I've been fooling myself, thinking I can actually sell an adult fiction manuscript.

I might have awards and good reviews, but I also have a contract that's on the verge of being canceled, leading me to feel that even this one thing that I thought I could do well, I can't do well enough that anyone's willing to fight for it-- except me.

And that's kind of what it comes down to. In the ultimate case of < mememe>, I have to fight for my own work, my own ability of craft, my own (if y'all will forgive me for the pretentiousness of this comment) integrity and sense of self as a writer.

In the end, that's all any of us can do. We have to take care of ourselves first and then, we're better able to offer the support and shoulders that we so often need.

If none of this makes sense, put it down to chlorine poisoning.


Stephanie - Aug 13, 2008 3:12:01 pm PDT #611 of 6681
Trust my rage

I know this is currently OT and I"m sorry to interrupt, but I so rarely have time at the computer these days....

Allyson, I'm so excited to read your Sam story. Ellie is only 3 and wouldn't be ready for it currently, but I'm already planning on reading it to her at bedtime once it's published.


SailAweigh - Aug 13, 2008 3:13:13 pm PDT #612 of 6681
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I struggle with every word and phrase, and although I get better with practice it's never going to be or seem effortless. I envy the fuck out of you.

Please, don't. Because each and every one of us is thinking the same thing about you. And everyone else in this forum. We all just have our own voices, our own way of coming at things, and those processes are totally opaque to the outside observer. It looks like magic. But, it's not. I've been sitting here for an hour and a half throwing words at a page. I've had two false starts and now I've finally got 100 words I find acceptable. That was just this particular topic, though. Sometimes, it comes like a brainstorm and totally takes me over; other times they're like trying to choke down a pack of saltines without liquid refreshment, each word more and more painful. This one, I forced a little, because I've been lying fallow for a while and I know if I don't force myself to write, all my words will dry up, again. Once I got my POV, though, it really flowed. But, it's never really easy.

But it's somewhere in between, so we're all stuck jiggling the key, and are equally befuddled when our door opens or when someone else's does.

So much this. I look at this forum and LJ as my doors. No, I'm not paid for publishing, but I am published. It's here, for other people to read if they choose and, I hope, to enjoy. That said:

Dawn's First Blush

His head appeared over the lowest branch. "You know he's hiding something from you."

She looked over at him. This was only the third time she'd seen him there, he didn't seem to be a regular denizen. He was always alone. Well, except for her.

"What could he be hiding?" She looked around at the trees, at the earth, at the sky. "I have everything."

"Do you have one of these?" He indicated the fruit on the branch next to him.

"But, that's not hiding."

"Then, it must be yours."

She took the fruit. She blushed.

"I have no clothes."


Susan W. - Aug 13, 2008 3:16:40 pm PDT #613 of 6681
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Maybe the issue is that I've never felt at home in short forms? I seemed to be wired for saga. I've never written a short story in my life, unless you count "deleted scenes" types of fanfic, and even those are insertions into the saga that is a long-running TV show.

I enjoy drabbles as a way of concentrating my prose and trying to see just how pithy and evocative I can make a tiny segment of description or characterization. But I don't know how to turn off my saga brain. If I weren't drabbling the WIP, I'd be drabbling the characters from my interconnected romance world, or that trilogy set in ancient Greece I mean to write one of these days, or the late 18th century British-in-India stories I've been dying to write ever since I started researching Wellington before he was Wellington, or that Civil War series I'm going to write just as soon as I figure out the right approach to take...sagas all.


erikaj - Aug 13, 2008 3:20:44 pm PDT #614 of 6681
Always Anti-fascist!

This is not the "Blush" I expected, but it fits.

Today I blush to think about it; my first attempt at a novel. Now I can see what’s all wrong, like all the frantic jump-cuts when I couldn’t make snarky interludes into a narrative, the structure of a roach motel with dry-rot, the blatant thefts from smarter souls that my friends never caught because I was the bookish one. I was twenty, and an arty dork that thought she was cool, and who was getting a little stoned from getting praised like Koko the gorilla when she made anything anybody could recognize. My mother had it bound one Christmas. We all thought it was a sort of coming attractions. Maybe we were right; one of my attendants swiped one looking for porn(It’s only now I can laugh thinking of his disappointment in my nubile prose. It’s still hard to confess how long I thought he could rip it off and be a big star, or that I thought I could quit college and go on tour with Jean-Claude. Even though I only met one in the coffee commercials.)


erikaj - Aug 13, 2008 3:20:52 pm PDT #615 of 6681
Always Anti-fascist!

Ailleann - Aug 13, 2008 3:29:06 pm PDT #616 of 6681
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

This is also OT, but Barb, I'm reading It's Not About The Accent right now (you had me at Ohio!), and I just got to the part with Nichols the jerkface. You surprised me, lady! I wasn't expecting that at all, and you handled it very well!


Barb - Aug 13, 2008 3:44:06 pm PDT #617 of 6681
“Not dead yet!”

You surprised me, lady! I wasn't expecting that at all, and you handled it very well!

Hee!! Yay!

Yeah, I'll admit it-- I'm also a shameless whore for the egostrokes. (And the letters I got from people who'd gone through similar who told me I got it right. Makes it so worth it.)


Amy - Aug 13, 2008 3:56:19 pm PDT #618 of 6681
Because books.

I don't think it matters why any of us write. We do, is the thing. There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be published if we do, because like I've said a million times, getting paid to write is waaaaaay better than getting paid to ring up groceries, at least for me. That said, I've been on both sides of the desk, and I want to reiterate that it's really fucking dangerous for anyone to think that publication is a Golden Ticket. It so, so isn't, at least not when it comes to quitting a job or working part-time and counting on writing income to pay the bills. REALLY TRULY FOR REAL.

Lots and lots of people who aren't the next Faulkner/Austen/Morrison (pick your favorite canon author!) get published every day. Because publishing is a business FIRST. I gave contracts to romance authors who were sort of just-better-than-meh because I had slots to fill and they had finished manuscripts that didn't make me puke. Especially when it comes to genre fiction, a novel that follows the rules and gives readers what they expect is often the book that gets bought, instead of the one that's going to make readers (god forbid!) a little nervous because it breaks new ground. It's not a wonderful thing, but it is what it is. Breakouts -- such as Diana Gabaldon, who mixed historical novel with romance and used first person POV (gasp!) -- are a huge risk. In her case, it paid off FOR THE PUBLISHER. Same with Harry Potter. But the imitators to Rowling's throne are never going to enjoy the huge success of the original, and publishers know it. There are only so many chances publishers are willing to take when the bottom line is dollars, which aren't coming as quickly or as many as they used to. Books are in danger, for a lot of reasons.

Sail's got a damn healthy attitude, for the record. My only real advice to anyone who loves to write is to DO IT FOR THE JOY you get out of it first, just like baking a cake for your family or taking a great shot of the sunset on vacation. Because while there's still a place for a fabulously reviewed, bestselling novel from a first-timer ( Cold Mountain, say), publishing is much more often about P&L reports, open slots, and minimizing payout than it is about Art. For most authors, writing is going to be a part-time gig or a secondary income in a two-income family, and that's just facts.

I love writing, and I love people who write and want to talk about and share writing, but I also hate to see hearts broken. Everybody who writes with an eye to publishing needs to be aware that publishing, as Barb and I can tell you (in detail! ask us how!), often sucks rotting moose cock.


Barb - Aug 13, 2008 4:00:55 pm PDT #619 of 6681
“Not dead yet!”

Everybody who writes with an eye to publishing needs to be aware that publishing, as Barb and I can tell you (in detail! ask us how!), often sucks rotting moose cock.

Not. Enough. Word. In. The. World.

::gropes Amy::