I'm not sure how old he is, but I heard him use the word 'newfangled' one time, so he's gotta be pretty far gone.

Dawn ,'Beneath You'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Typo Boy - Jul 03, 2012 11:50:02 am PDT #5329 of 6690
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

You have to follow the link within the story to get to the actual article. I think most of the tips would work for most people. A few are very dependent on the particular writer thinking a particular way. My guess is that those would work for half and not for half. Even though they are tips for a fiction, I think they could be adapted for non-fiction too. Overall I approve. Don't know that you will like the article as well as I did, but my vote is "helpful if you exercise sense and skip the suggestions that won't work for you".


Connie Neil - Jul 03, 2012 1:26:47 pm PDT #5330 of 6690
brillig

OK, the guy who wrote the original article has been working on a manuscript for 8 years, and he's going to talk about how it's changed over that time? I've got stuff that's taken me that long, but that's indicative of psychological barriers to finishing the thing, not because it's needed that much revising. Of course he's going to change the manuscript, he's not the same writer he was 8 years ago, he's got a completely different way of telling a story.

Revising can go a little too long, I think.


Amy - Jul 03, 2012 1:46:35 pm PDT #5331 of 6690
Because books.

I don't know -- I'm only up to the ninth tip, and it's reading to me like someone who's petrified of actually finishing. So much of what he's suggesting isn't necessary at all -- or it's going to be determined by another reader, not post-its in columns.


Connie Neil - Jul 03, 2012 2:25:25 pm PDT #5332 of 6690
brillig

I'm always leery of advice that talks about tracking the theme or finding out what the story's about. If you don't know all that before you finish the first draft, I'd be worried. Granted, expressing it all clearly can be tweaked, but I suspect some folks just love to revise.

edit: but fixing typos is always in fashion


erikaj - Jul 03, 2012 2:29:28 pm PDT #5333 of 6690
Always Anti-fascist!

I found that advice kind of...masturbatory. But it could be I don't pay enough attention to revisions. But after eight years, are you still sure that's, you know, The One?


Connie Neil - Jul 03, 2012 2:30:59 pm PDT #5334 of 6690
brillig

I believe in Lawrence Bloch's advice about washing garbage. Sometimes you can revise all the interesting freshness of a work right out of it.


erikaj - Jul 03, 2012 2:43:53 pm PDT #5335 of 6690
Always Anti-fascist!

I'm not really a great judge of my own work.Especially the part where I'm bored means it's boring. Because sometimes I think everything I do is boring, am I always right? Sometimes I'm bored because it comes from life, and the last thing I want is to go over that shit again. Sometimes I'm bored because my facebook friends are all going on vacation or making love or something(maybe simultaneously...I've heard it happens) and I'm like "Guess what, you guys...I've nailed page 37!") and I want what they're having instead.


Connie Neil - Jul 03, 2012 2:47:08 pm PDT #5336 of 6690
brillig

Actually, the boring advice is somewhat useful. If I'm looking at a scene and I hate it, eventually it dawns on me that maybe the problem is with the scene and not me. Or if I'm racking my brain trying to think of a way to get someone into a car, I'll suddenly go "Duh!" and write "He got in the car."

I know, revelatory, isn't it?


Tom Scola - Jul 05, 2012 6:14:49 pm PDT #5337 of 6690
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

From my local blog: Brooklyn Heights Novelist Jennifer Miller Hawks Her Book Via Novel Strategy: A ‘Novelade Stand’ (with free cookies).


Amy - Jul 05, 2012 6:20:40 pm PDT #5338 of 6690
Because books.

Great idea. And she's getting at least some press, which is part of the goal.

It hurts to hear things like that, though -- seven years spent writing a book, and it really does have only a very short window in which to make an impression, especially today. And the literary novel readership is harder to market to, I think.