Inara: Mal, this isn't the ancient sea. You don't have to go down with your ship. Mal: She ain't going down. She ain't going anywhere.

'Out Of Gas'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


CaBil - Jul 07, 2008 8:20:42 am PDT #310 of 6681
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

If you are that worried, push Charlotte more. That is your big original bit of alternative history, because I haven't really seen or read anything that focused on Charlotte. So if you are worried about the originality aspect, figure out how to use Charlotte more aggressively and prominently.


Susan W. - Jul 07, 2008 8:31:12 am PDT #311 of 6681
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Well, I think she would become more prominent as the series goes on, particularly if it were to become successful enough that I could write beyond the four books or so I have planned and take her into her late teens and early 20's. I mean, there's only so much I can do with a little kid in what's primarily an adult military action-adventure story. I do like the idea of exploring what England might've looked like if Charlotte never died in childbirth and there was therefore never a Victoria. But this is Wellesley's story, really--it's the idea of having to give up his character that would most break my heart if I had to stop writing it. And I can only see myself writing him as a protagonist in an alternative history. If I were writing real world, he'd at most get a cameo. I have zero interest in writing biographical fiction (and I barely even read it), because I already know how it ends and I can't mess with his head by throwing him into situations he never had to face IRL.

That's the core of it. I don't want have to to stop throwing Arthur Wellesley into strange situations and using them to challenge his spicy brains and unravel his certainties. It's just too damn fun to mess with his head...


Typo Boy - Jul 07, 2008 9:55:16 am PDT #312 of 6681
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Susan. Really Really don't change your story because of what some other author does. Just don't. Heinlein used to say that there are really only three plots: boy meets girl and variants, the brave little tailor, and the man who learned better. There is of course an obvious feminist critique of the phrasing, but fundamentally he was right. There are NO original plots. It all lies in the execution. Is your writing style exactly the same as nemesis, the Dread Pirate Novik? Is your world building, your sense of what the times is like the same? Don't worry about superficial similarities.

Listen to the wisdom of Sondheim:

Every moment makes a contribution,
Every little detail plays a part.
Having just a vision's no solution,.
Everything depends on execution
Putting it together, that's what counts!

And you are doing just that! Don't worry about similarities between one sentence descriptions. Someone creative in marketing can come up with a new one sentence description.


Dana - Jul 07, 2008 10:01:17 am PDT #313 of 6681
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

I feel pretty safe in saying, not that you were worried about this, but Naomi is not at all the type of person who would run around pointing fingers and accusing people of copying.


Susan W. - Jul 07, 2008 10:27:46 am PDT #314 of 6681
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

It all lies in the execution. Is your writing style exactly the same as nemesis, the Dread Pirate Novik? Is your world building, your sense of what the times is like the same?

Well, no, not at all. I'd even go so far as to say they're extremely different.

I feel pretty safe in saying, not that you were worried about this, but Naomi is not at all the type of person who would run around pointing fingers and accusing people of copying.

Yeah, I know. I'm more afraid everybody else will!


Beverly - Jul 07, 2008 10:29:33 am PDT #315 of 6681
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Heinlein used to say that there are really only three plots: boy meets girl and variants, the brave little tailor, and the man who learned better.

Wait. I thought the only three original stories were: Boy Meets Girl and variants, A Stranger Comes to Town, and The Quest.

Someone who has won awards retelling familiar tales, with a twist, of a writer a couple of generations older, and whose forte is retold fairytales often told me, "There are no original stories. None. Tell what you want, just make sure you tell it well."

(If I wanted to work at it I could get another told or tell in that sentence somewhere)


Connie Neil - Jul 07, 2008 11:55:56 am PDT #316 of 6681
brillig

I had to have the "no original plots" talk with a friend several years ago. I told her, "The only ones who came up with original stories were the cavemen who told them first." That cheered her up.

The Brave Little Tailor could share elements with The Quest, but I think A Stranger Comes is more pervasive than The Man Who Learned Better, though the latter covers most of Aesop's Fables.


-t - Jul 07, 2008 12:34:53 pm PDT #317 of 6681
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Does V of E have the same Napoleon succeeded in invading England thing that you do, Susan? I'm not familiar at all.


Susan W. - Jul 07, 2008 12:35:59 pm PDT #318 of 6681
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Yeah, it does, though it sounds like she might resolve that in one book instead of spinning it out over a series like I'm planning to.


P.M. Marc - Jul 07, 2008 12:37:33 pm PDT #319 of 6681
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Err. Spoiler whitefont for that plot point, plz?