Maybe I've always been here.

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The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Connie Neil - Apr 17, 2009 3:06:08 pm PDT #1434 of 6690
brillig

Bah. It's been a slow day at work, and the muse stirred her head. I opened a screen to write in--and the clients started showing up. It's a freaking conspiracy.


erikaj - Apr 17, 2009 3:19:24 pm PDT #1435 of 6690
Always Anti-fascist!

As a lowly mystery writer, I've got two words for her and one of them begins with "F--- Agents are human, too(allegedly at least):) and if the letter attached to the greatest ms in the history of ever sounded as whiny as that, I'd pass.


Barb - Apr 17, 2009 3:20:19 pm PDT #1436 of 6690
“Not dead yet!”

if the letter attached to the greatest ms in the history of ever sounded as whiny as that, I'd pass.

BWAH!


Laga - Apr 17, 2009 3:26:22 pm PDT #1437 of 6690
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Wikipedia on Young Adult Fiction...

The modern classification of young-adult fiction originated during the 1950s and 1960s, especially after the publication of S.E. Hinton's The Outsiders. This book focused on a group of teens not yet represented and instead of having the nostalgic tone that was typical in young adult books written by adults, it displayed a truer, darker side of young adult life because it was written by a young adult.

As publishers began to focus on the emerging adolescent market, booksellers and libraries, in turn, began creating YA sections distinct from either children's literature or novels written for adults. The 1970s to the mid-1980s have been described as the golden age of young-adult fiction - when challenging novels began speaking directly to the interests of the identified adolescent market[2].


erikaj - Apr 17, 2009 3:26:33 pm PDT #1438 of 6690
Always Anti-fascist!

But I would. Because if I had to make deals with and/or for that person? I'd put a bullet in my own brain. Because you don't think the diva stuff stops when she starts getting attention, does it? I'm thinking NSM. Only then, our careers would be intertwined(shudder)


Typo Boy - Apr 17, 2009 5:03:22 pm PDT #1439 of 6690
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Side note: Don't think Rowling is all that as a writer. I mean I'm really glad she got a lot of people hooked on reading who otherwise would not be. And she is not a bad writer or anything. But not in my opinion anywhere near any of the greats. Not on the same level of Nesbit or L'Engle. Hell, for all he makes me furious sometimes I think Pullman at his best is better than Rowling at her best. Only don't know where to go from there. We all have our internal rankings, and if someone ranks Rowling higher than I do, I don't really have a strong counter case to make. However, no argument on the larger point about the whiny letter, and the whiny author who wrote it.


Barb - Apr 17, 2009 6:01:14 pm PDT #1440 of 6690
“Not dead yet!”

But Typo, she wasn't saying that she'd read McCarthy because he was a better writer than Rowling, just simply because he wrote books for adults and she was an adult.

She used one avatar to dismiss an entire genre, her argument being that YA books were good for kids, but that adults needed to "challenge" themselves further.

And she made this entire argument while openly stating that she hadn't read any YA novels since she was a kid. I mean, talk about brass ones.


Gudanov - Apr 17, 2009 6:39:45 pm PDT #1441 of 6690
Coding and Sleeping

She used one avatar to dismiss an entire genre, her argument being that YA books were good for kids, but that adults needed to "challenge" themselves further.

Is it wrong that I don't want to be challenged when I read? I want to be entertained. If I had loads of time to read, maybe I would want to be challenged some of the time. But I don't. In order to write, I have given up a number of things including reading.

I don't really rank authors I read, there I books I enjoy and books I don't. I like them for different reasons usually, so I have a hard time coming up with rank.

Then there are books that I regret having liked. Typically these are series where I like the first book or two and by book three or four I have achieved retroactive dislike.


Barb - Apr 17, 2009 6:44:10 pm PDT #1442 of 6690
“Not dead yet!”

Is it wrong that I don't want to be challenged when I read? I want to be entertained.

Nope. Not wrong at all. I think that's what most people want out of reading and why genre fiction is actually enjoying a surge in sales right now. I know I get so freakin' sick and tired of people who equate "good" literature with books that you have to work to read and that leave you wanting to slit your wrists.

I read to lose myself in another world-- same reason I write.

Guess that makes me cheap and commercial-- I'm good with that.


Typo Boy - Apr 17, 2009 11:03:02 pm PDT #1443 of 6690
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

But Typo, she wasn't saying that she'd read McCarthy because he was a better writer than Rowling, just simply because he wrote books for adults and she was an adult.

Sure that is why my note was a side note. No disagreement on the main point. Dissing whole genre's is assholeness. Her reasons for preferring McCarthy to Rowling were assholeish. Just was making a side observation peripheral to the main discussion that I don't enjoy Rowling as much as I enjoy a lot of other writers.