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A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Barb - Apr 17, 2009 2:28:34 pm PDT #1431 of 6690
“Not dead yet!”

Has she never heard of Jacob I Have Loved or The Chocolate War or The Outsiders?

Not if they came after she ceased being a "young adult."

I had to smack her over the head with the explanation that "young adult" as it's used right now, is primarily a market construct. I mean, when The Outsiders came out forty years ago, there was no such genre as young adult. It was either a children's book or it was shelved with general fiction.

I mean, I'm trying to think of when I first became aware of "young adult" as its own genre-- maybe some of our librarians can weigh in on this one-- I somehow have a sneaking suspicion that the libraries were on the forefront of separating out books designed specifically for the teen market.


Jesse - Apr 17, 2009 2:33:48 pm PDT #1432 of 6690
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I'm 35, and when I was 12-ish, there was a YA section in my local library. For what that's worth.


Amy - Apr 17, 2009 2:54:58 pm PDT #1433 of 6690
Because books.

I don't remember a YA section in our library when I was that age -- under 12, I mean -- but I'm 42, so. And it was a smallish library. But I DO remember some books being in a teen section of the bookstores then.


Connie Neil - Apr 17, 2009 3:06:08 pm PDT #1434 of 6690
brillig

Bah. It's been a slow day at work, and the muse stirred her head. I opened a screen to write in--and the clients started showing up. It's a freaking conspiracy.


erikaj - Apr 17, 2009 3:19:24 pm PDT #1435 of 6690
Always Anti-fascist!

As a lowly mystery writer, I've got two words for her and one of them begins with "F--- Agents are human, too(allegedly at least):) and if the letter attached to the greatest ms in the history of ever sounded as whiny as that, I'd pass.


Barb - Apr 17, 2009 3:20:19 pm PDT #1436 of 6690
“Not dead yet!”

if the letter attached to the greatest ms in the history of ever sounded as whiny as that, I'd pass.

BWAH!


Laga - Apr 17, 2009 3:26:22 pm PDT #1437 of 6690
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Wikipedia on Young Adult Fiction...

The modern classification of young-adult fiction originated during the 1950s and 1960s, especially after the publication of S.E. Hinton's The Outsiders. This book focused on a group of teens not yet represented and instead of having the nostalgic tone that was typical in young adult books written by adults, it displayed a truer, darker side of young adult life because it was written by a young adult.

As publishers began to focus on the emerging adolescent market, booksellers and libraries, in turn, began creating YA sections distinct from either children's literature or novels written for adults. The 1970s to the mid-1980s have been described as the golden age of young-adult fiction - when challenging novels began speaking directly to the interests of the identified adolescent market[2].


erikaj - Apr 17, 2009 3:26:33 pm PDT #1438 of 6690
Always Anti-fascist!

But I would. Because if I had to make deals with and/or for that person? I'd put a bullet in my own brain. Because you don't think the diva stuff stops when she starts getting attention, does it? I'm thinking NSM. Only then, our careers would be intertwined(shudder)


Typo Boy - Apr 17, 2009 5:03:22 pm PDT #1439 of 6690
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Side note: Don't think Rowling is all that as a writer. I mean I'm really glad she got a lot of people hooked on reading who otherwise would not be. And she is not a bad writer or anything. But not in my opinion anywhere near any of the greats. Not on the same level of Nesbit or L'Engle. Hell, for all he makes me furious sometimes I think Pullman at his best is better than Rowling at her best. Only don't know where to go from there. We all have our internal rankings, and if someone ranks Rowling higher than I do, I don't really have a strong counter case to make. However, no argument on the larger point about the whiny letter, and the whiny author who wrote it.


Barb - Apr 17, 2009 6:01:14 pm PDT #1440 of 6690
“Not dead yet!”

But Typo, she wasn't saying that she'd read McCarthy because he was a better writer than Rowling, just simply because he wrote books for adults and she was an adult.

She used one avatar to dismiss an entire genre, her argument being that YA books were good for kids, but that adults needed to "challenge" themselves further.

And she made this entire argument while openly stating that she hadn't read any YA novels since she was a kid. I mean, talk about brass ones.