Jayne, you'll scare the women.

Zoe ,'Bushwhacked'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - Apr 09, 2008 10:16:36 am PDT #671 of 10001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Allyson, if you are feeling overwhelmed it might help to write every single thing that comes into your head that you think needs doing (GTD technique). The idea is that once you put is down it will stop swirling around in your head and causing anxiety.

This is a fantastic technique. I just keep forgetting to put a damn notepad in my purse. Which, frankly, is telling.

Well, you need to remember to write down that you need to put a notepad in your purse so that you can...write down things you need to remember...

Dang!


Vortex - Apr 09, 2008 10:16:39 am PDT #672 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Both myself and my assistant gasped out loud when we saw that outfit.


brenda m - Apr 09, 2008 10:17:24 am PDT #673 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

THEY don't know its freaky to have two dozen siblings and four Moms. To them its not.

Or to be married off at 13 to a man five times their age, etc. Again, I'm not sure the five-year-old's perspective on all this is all that illuminating.


Cashmere - Apr 09, 2008 10:18:08 am PDT #674 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

As long as everybody is of age, I don't see how its anybody's business how many spouses people have.

The thing about this particular cult that freaks me (besides the child molesting and forced marriages) is that they will throw a man out of the group and assign his wife and children to some other man.


Trudy Booth - Apr 09, 2008 10:18:41 am PDT #675 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Exactly. I mean, I'm sure it was very traumatic for any kid in that situation. No, in any situation where they're being taken out of their homes and away from their families. That doesn't mean it's a bad thing to do, in this and any number of other cases.

But it might have been a bad thing here -- at least that was the response of the public. You had dozens of clean, well fed, (and white, to be sure) children thrown into foster care.

It wasn't the sympathy for the children that weirded me out, it was the lack of so much as a mention of any reason the authorities might have acted other than being mustache-twirling villians.

Sure, well that's just fucking creepy -- though I can see "we weren't hurting anybody" making a person very indignant.


Trudy Booth - Apr 09, 2008 10:23:04 am PDT #676 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I think the idea that the abuses common to these set-ups is a result of having been forced underground is a huge leap to make.

I don't think it is. It's the same premise behind legalizing prostitution and certain drugs and any other number of vices -- you have that bright light of law shining on you and its harder to marry a teenager. When you HAVE to hide everything you GET to hide everything.

Or to be married off at 13 to a man five times their age, etc. Again, I'm not sure the five-year-old's perspective on all this is all that illuminating.

But it appears that wasn't so common then. There is considerable assertion that things didn't get really freaky until one leader died and his son took over.


Nutty - Apr 09, 2008 10:23:30 am PDT #677 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

But it might have been a bad thing here -- at least that was the response of the public.

In general, the response of the public to a news story is probably not the most informed response. The Wikipedia article doesn't say one way or the other whether, e.g., age-of-consent laws were being respected or not.


Trudy Booth - Apr 09, 2008 10:27:07 am PDT #678 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

The Wikipedia article doesn't say one way or the other whether, e.g., age-of-consent laws were being respected or not.

It doesn't. A lot of what I'm half-remembering is from Jon Krakaur's "Under The Banner of Heaven". Like I said, I'm pretty sure that the age of consent and discarded boys [link] began with more recent leadership and wasn't the case at Short Creek.


brenda m - Apr 09, 2008 10:37:42 am PDT #679 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

You had dozens of clean, well fed, (and white, to be sure) children thrown into foster care.

Actually (and my knowledge here is sketchy at best, so grain of salt) from the women they were talking to it sounded like the fathers were more or less exiled but otherwise the families were more or less intact. Just from this broadcast, though.


P.M. Marc - Apr 09, 2008 10:38:49 am PDT #680 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

But it appears that wasn't so common then. There is considerable assertion that things didn't get really freaky until one leader died and his son took over.

One article linked to in Wikipedia's entry, interviewing some of the lawmen who were involved in the raid, contradicts that notion, as apparently you still had a fair number of seriously underaged "wives" in the situation.