I think the idea that the abuses common to these set-ups is a result of having been forced underground is a huge leap to make.

I don't think it is. It's the same premise behind legalizing prostitution and certain drugs and any other number of vices -- you have that bright light of law shining on you and its harder to marry a teenager. When you HAVE to hide everything you GET to hide everything.

Or to be married off at 13 to a man five times their age, etc. Again, I'm not sure the five-year-old's perspective on all this is all that illuminating.

But it appears that wasn't so common then. There is considerable assertion that things didn't get really freaky until one leader died and his son took over.

But it might have been a bad thing here -- at least that was the response of the public.

In general, the response of the public to a news story is probably not the most informed response. The Wikipedia article doesn't say one way or the other whether, e.g., age-of-consent laws were being respected or not.

The Wikipedia article doesn't say one way or the other whether, e.g., age-of-consent laws were being respected or not.

It doesn't. A lot of what I'm half-remembering is from Jon Krakaur's "Under The Banner of Heaven". Like I said, I'm pretty sure that the age of consent and discarded boys [link] began with more recent leadership and wasn't the case at Short Creek.

You had dozens of clean, well fed, (and white, to be sure) children thrown into foster care.

Actually (and my knowledge here is sketchy at best, so grain of salt) from the women they were talking to it sounded like the fathers were more or less exiled but otherwise the families were more or less intact. Just from this broadcast, though.

But it appears that wasn't so common then. There is considerable assertion that things didn't get really freaky until one leader died and his son took over.

One article linked to in Wikipedia's entry, interviewing some of the lawmen who were involved in the raid, contradicts that notion, as apparently you still had a fair number of seriously underaged "wives" in the situation.

ION, I need a two-headed dog. Or rather, my dog needs two headedness, since there are cats (!) in the yard to the left and workmen (!) in the yard to the right and it's apparently very hard to keep on top of the barkiness level in each direction.

I need math help!

I need to find out how many pounds are in one cu ft of hydrogen.

One pound of H will occupy 10,160.2608 liters, or 358.806 cubic feet.

I need to find out how many pounds are in one cu ft of hydrogen.

One pound of H will occupy 10,160.2608 liters, or 358.806 cubic feet.

Wouldn't that be 1/358.806 lbs. per cu ft? If one pound is 300+ of cu ft, then one cu ft is going to substantially smaller than a pound. Or am I missing something.

One pound of H will occupy 10,160.2608 liters, or 358.806 cubic feet.

You can just take the multiplicative inverse - ie: 1/358.806

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ION, I need a two-headed dog.

Once upon a time, Soviet scientists transplanted a puppy's head onto another dog. No really, I've read multiple accounts of this. Here's Time Magazine's account: [link]