I hate to break it to you, oh impotent one, but you're not the big bad anymore, you're not even the kind of naughty.

Xander ,'Showtime'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Gudanov - Apr 09, 2008 10:08:03 am PDT #661 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

The public really turned on law enforcement once they saw the pictures of the hundreds of crying children being taken from their parents. For fifty some years afterwards officials just looked the other way... until the latest round of crazy abuses started.

There's really no way for the law enforcement people to come off looking good is there?


Nutty - Apr 09, 2008 10:08:58 am PDT #662 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

The public really turned on law enforcement once they saw the pictures of the hundreds of crying children being taken from their parents.

O hai, I can haz comprehension of Stockholm Syndrome now?


Pix - Apr 09, 2008 10:09:22 am PDT #663 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

Allyson, if you are feeling overwhelmed it might help to write every single thing that comes into your head that you think needs doing (GTD technique). The idea is that once you put is down it will stop swirling around in your head and causing anxiety.

This is a fantastic technique. I just keep forgetting to put a damn notepad in my purse. Which, frankly, is telling.


Trudy Booth - Apr 09, 2008 10:12:57 am PDT #664 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

There's really no way for the law enforcement people to come off looking good is there?

There seems to be no great way to deal with the situation at all besides making it legal.

Either you break of families that aren't hurting anybody* or you force them underground and crazy abuses start to occur.

As long as everybody is of age, I don't see how its anybody's business how many spouses people have.

* (This is based on the thinking that the marrying of young girls, throwing boys out on the street, and building a compound didn't happen until the latest head took over.)


Jessica - Apr 09, 2008 10:13:08 am PDT #665 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

FotC fans take note - they will be performing at Town Hall in NYC May 6&7! Tix go on sale Friday.

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brenda m - Apr 09, 2008 10:14:01 am PDT #666 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

O hai, I can haz comprehension of Stockholm Syndrome now?

Exactly. I mean, I'm sure it was very traumatic for any kid in that situation. No, in any situation where they're being taken out of their homes and away from their families. That doesn't mean it's a bad thing to do, in this and any number of other cases. It wasn't the sympathy for the children that weirded me out, it was the lack of so much as a mention of any reason the authorities might have acted other than being mustache-twirling villians.

(Also, all the women they interviewed are current polygamists. Which, again, certainly a valid perspective. But I find it hard to imagine there aren't any other grown up Short Creek kids who see it differently.)


Trudy Booth - Apr 09, 2008 10:14:34 am PDT #667 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

O hai, I can haz comprehension of Stockholm Syndrome now?

Or just kids wanting to go home.

THEY don't know its freaky to have two dozen siblings and four Moms. To them its not.


Cashmere - Apr 09, 2008 10:15:29 am PDT #668 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

shrift, I may have linked you to mens' cargo pants. I like Orvis, though.

Allyson, good luck with the bureaucratic fuckus. I hope they fix their mistake and apologize for stressing you out.


brenda m - Apr 09, 2008 10:15:53 am PDT #669 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Either you break of families that aren't hurting anybody* or you force them underground and crazy abuses start to occur.

I think the idea that the abuses common to these set-ups is a result of having been forced underground is a huge leap to make.


Theodosia - Apr 09, 2008 10:16:32 am PDT #670 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

It sounds like the Short Creek families were functional and healthy, albeit with an alternate lifestyle that got dealt with way too harshly. By contrast, the cult being raided now is harsh and abusive, and, well, a cult.