Fire bad. Tree pretty.

Buffy ,'Chosen'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


megan walker - Apr 09, 2008 9:49:40 am PDT #653 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

You still have to buy the options, you just get a better price if the stock price increased since the grant.

Oh right. Duh. I wasn't thinking through the whole "options" thing.


Polter-Cow - Apr 09, 2008 9:49:43 am PDT #654 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Wouldn't you be taxed on the cost of the options as income, and then the "profit" (i.e., Phase 3) as capital gains?

See, if the cost of options somehow gets added into the wages/tips/etc like bon bon said, that could explain the tax owed even after withholding from my regular salary, although it's still weird because I don't think the tax rate is 60%.

I wasn't expecting to owe this much. This is bizarre.

Also, isn't there some rule about short- vs. long-term with stocks?

Well, they have different sections on the form.


msbelle - Apr 09, 2008 9:50:05 am PDT #655 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

things will always fall through the cracks.

things overheard at work: I take them to lubricate my eyes,


Dana - Apr 09, 2008 9:50:32 am PDT #656 of 10001
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

short-term gains are for stocks held under one year.


Polter-Cow - Apr 09, 2008 9:57:16 am PDT #657 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Does this help at all, PC: [link]

Oh, that's great, Sue! Thanks. Now, see, I don't think I have that V in Box 12, but it seems like they're reporting the ISO income in Box 14.

And on the third page of this thing, it says that the Cost Or Other Basis is the amount you paid for the stock plus the income reported on the W-2. This is exactly how HRBlock calculates it, and this guide specifically says that's what supposed to keep me from being taxed twice!! Maybe because I don't have a Box 12, TurboTax and TaxAct aren't understanding that my capital gains were included in my income already?

And oh!! It even answers my other question: it says that some employers use the closing price to report on the W-2, which makes sense since the closing price was lower than the price I sold at.

It's seeming to me that, thankfully, I...should not be paying thousands more in taxes than I expected? And HRBlock knows what it's doing? I wish I could get those cheaper programs to understand what's going on, though.


Trudy Booth - Apr 09, 2008 10:00:43 am PDT #658 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

CNN is running a really weird piece about a polygamist group that was raided in the 50s, interviewing a bunch of women who were children at the time. The whole thing is being portrayed as some family tragedy, all noble fathers sneaking back to see their wives and the women hiding new pregnancies from the big bad authorities (since part of the men's release from prison was a promise not to, you know, keep it up. Iit was many years before some of the families were reunited." Which, yes, I'm sure that's hard and all, but it's a deeply strange perspective when not contrasted with any other view of the situation.

The Short Creek Raid. [link]

The public really turned on law enforcement once they saw the pictures of the hundreds of crying children being taken from their parents. For fifty some years afterwards officials just looked the other way... until the latest round of crazy abuses started.


Pix - Apr 09, 2008 10:07:10 am PDT #659 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

OMG THIS WEEK IS EIGHT GAZILLION YEARS LONG.


bon bon - Apr 09, 2008 10:07:13 am PDT #660 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

The idea is that once you put is down it will stop swirling around in your head and causing anxiety.

It sounds like a simple thing but it really works. Write EVERYTHING down, from "buy brown belt that fits" to "start chapter 4 of new book" to "start calling mom more." For as long as the list is current your mind will buzz less with liminal reminders.


Gudanov - Apr 09, 2008 10:08:03 am PDT #661 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

The public really turned on law enforcement once they saw the pictures of the hundreds of crying children being taken from their parents. For fifty some years afterwards officials just looked the other way... until the latest round of crazy abuses started.

There's really no way for the law enforcement people to come off looking good is there?


Nutty - Apr 09, 2008 10:08:58 am PDT #662 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

The public really turned on law enforcement once they saw the pictures of the hundreds of crying children being taken from their parents.

O hai, I can haz comprehension of Stockholm Syndrome now?