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NoiseDesign - Apr 17, 2008 9:15:23 am PDT #2432 of 10001
Our wings are not tired

This opened up the housing market to those who couldn't afford to save the 20% downpayment.

This is also reflected in the drop in Americans' savings rates.

While I agree that savings are down, in the So Cal market cheap houses have been going for $500,000. 20% on that is $100,000. Even with excellent saving practices that's extremely difficult for most families to come up with. When I actually thought I might buy a house a few years ago, I was looking at places in rough shape that were listing at $750,000. There's no way I could have come up with that kind of down payment.


Kristen - Apr 17, 2008 9:19:36 am PDT #2433 of 10001

The MLS did a map or something of Los Angeles so you could see price change by neighborhood. In a lot of the popular neighborhoods, prices have stayed steady or, in some cases, gone up slightly.


tommyrot - Apr 17, 2008 9:22:37 am PDT #2434 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

ION, this is what people were amazed by in 1929: Air-Rail Line Spans America in 48 Hours (Nov, 1929)

They'd stick you on a plane during the day and on a sleeper train at night, allowing you to go coast-to-coast in the unheard of time of 48 hours.


Nutty - Apr 17, 2008 9:23:51 am PDT #2435 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I guess, though... that even having a lot more people willing to buy rather than rent, how does that change prices? Because, people who don't buy still rent, right? Unless there are millions of people who had been previously living in their parents' basement, or the population has actually increased a lot.

So, like, in 1996, two houses go on sale, one of them sells and the other one gets rented. In 2006, they both sell for eleventy zillion dollars. In 2010, neither of them sells and they both get rented.

Is this whole price crisis caused by people being unwilling to be landlords?


Daisy Jane - Apr 17, 2008 9:26:25 am PDT #2436 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

You probably won't be able to rent a place at the cost of your mortgage.


Kristen - Apr 17, 2008 9:27:01 am PDT #2437 of 10001

I know that a lot of the homes here in SoCal that are in foreclosure are actually occupied by tenants. So I would guess that the rent isn't covering the ARM payments in some cases.


NoiseDesign - Apr 17, 2008 9:32:58 am PDT #2438 of 10001
Our wings are not tired

Also, as the housing prices fall, the amount of rent that can be demanded for properties falls. I was checking rental listings recently and lots of houses are now renting for much cheaper than what the mortgage payment is, so folks are losing lots of money even on rentals at this point. That path also leads to foreclosure and now the renters are also out of a house.


Daisy Jane - Apr 17, 2008 9:34:57 am PDT #2439 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I don't know about SoCal, but there are a lot of newish mini mansions that won't be rented out for this reason. Rents on du/tri/fourplexes run from $650-$1200, an older home (bungalow, probably only one bathroom) is $325,000 at the low end. The newer monstrosities are half a million easy.

So, if you can afford to buy, are you going for the cheaper bungalow, and if you decide to wait and just rent are you going to pay the cheap rent or the one that covers payments on a $500,000 loan?


CaBil - Apr 17, 2008 9:56:57 am PDT #2440 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

I forget the exact casual link, but there was a renter's index floating around that showed that they were being hammered also. Let's see if I can dig it up...


Nutty - Apr 17, 2008 9:59:16 am PDT #2441 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Also, as the housing prices fall, the amount of rent that can be demanded for properties falls.

Interestingly, the reverse was not the case (anyway, not across the board) when times were high. Anyway, I lived in the same neighborhood for the 5 biggest years of the boom, and rent stayed pretty much the same throughout.

(I live in a tight and unexpandable housing market, so that might be a factor; and throughout those 5 years people were taking rental properties and turning them into condos.)