I guess, though... that even having a lot more people willing to buy rather than rent, how does that change prices? Because, people who don't buy still rent, right? Unless there are millions of people who had been previously living in their parents' basement, or the population has actually increased a lot.

So, like, in 1996, two houses go on sale, one of them sells and the other one gets rented. In 2006, they both sell for eleventy zillion dollars. In 2010, neither of them sells and they both get rented.

Is this whole price crisis caused by people being unwilling to be landlords?

You probably won't be able to rent a place at the cost of your mortgage.

I know that a lot of the homes here in SoCal that are in foreclosure are actually occupied by tenants. So I would guess that the rent isn't covering the ARM payments in some cases.

Also, as the housing prices fall, the amount of rent that can be demanded for properties falls. I was checking rental listings recently and lots of houses are now renting for much cheaper than what the mortgage payment is, so folks are losing lots of money even on rentals at this point. That path also leads to foreclosure and now the renters are also out of a house.

I don't know about SoCal, but there are a lot of newish mini mansions that won't be rented out for this reason. Rents on du/tri/fourplexes run from $650-$1200, an older home (bungalow, probably only one bathroom) is $325,000 at the low end. The newer monstrosities are half a million easy.

So, if you can afford to buy, are you going for the cheaper bungalow, and if you decide to wait and just rent are you going to pay the cheap rent or the one that covers payments on a $500,000 loan?

I forget the exact casual link, but there was a renter's index floating around that showed that they were being hammered also. Let's see if I can dig it up...

Also, as the housing prices fall, the amount of rent that can be demanded for properties falls.

Interestingly, the reverse was not the case (anyway, not across the board) when times were high. Anyway, I lived in the same neighborhood for the 5 biggest years of the boom, and rent stayed pretty much the same throughout.

(I live in a tight and unexpandable housing market, so that might be a factor; and throughout those 5 years people were taking rental properties and turning them into condos.)

Interestingly, the reverse was not the case (anyway, not across the board) when times were high.

I can't prove this, but I'd bet the reason is that a lot of people who'd otherwise rent were able to get mortgages. Leaving the supply lower than it otherwise would be.

Yeah, the people who bought our house before us (and got it foreclosed on, thus enabling us to buy it) paid $120,000 more than we did. With the recent drop, our house is still in the average range and worth maore than our mortgage, but if prices go another 10% lower it won't be. Luckily, we aren't planning on going anywhere, so we can wait a few years until things even out.

Thank god we are renting a house that no longer has a mortgage, but is owned outright by the same family that moved in to it in 1947. Cause tennants who are evicted because of foreclosure are screwed.