Mal: How drunk was I last night? Jayne: Well I dunno. I passed out.

'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Dana - Apr 17, 2008 6:10:51 am PDT #2314 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

...at least there isn't an opossum behind the refrigerator?

Ha. True. Though yesterday, my husband did feel obliged to copy me on an e-mail detailing how a roach crawled onto his water bottle at work.


Vortex - Apr 17, 2008 6:13:54 am PDT #2315 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Jessica, that's a great martini glass. Not $85 great, but great nevertheless.

Not even $42.50 great. Cause it's a set of two. If it had been a set of four, I would have thought about it.


Gudanov - Apr 17, 2008 6:14:02 am PDT #2316 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

Okay, so Obama's bitter statement? Totally impolitic. But the truth of the matter, even though I'm not in a small town, I am entirely BITTER about the economic state of my life and my country. It hasn't yet turned me to god but it does make guns look sort of appealing.

I can sort of see his point, but I don't think it put it the right way. IMO, small town America has been getting the economic shaft long enough that they've given up on politicians' proposals to address economic justice issues and have become more concerned about issues of religion and gun control. In Missouri, you get the impression that any support for any type of gun control will immediately lose you the rural areas of the state.


Emily - Apr 17, 2008 6:14:57 am PDT #2317 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Totally impolitic.

You know, I had to read it three or four times before I figured out what the fuss was. I get that no one likes to be described sociologically like that (and that putting religion and xenophobie in the same syntactic group was unwise), but wasn't he just saying that lots of people don't trust government to make things better for them and have turned their attention and trust to other things?


Vortex - Apr 17, 2008 6:15:27 am PDT #2318 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

My heart bleeds

Gonzales can't find a job


Emily - Apr 17, 2008 6:17:42 am PDT #2319 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

In Missouri, you get the impression that any support for any type of gun control will immediately lose you the rural areas of the state.

One of my coworkers votes primarily on the basis of the candidate's position on guns.

Mind you, a position on guns is often associated with other positions, so I'm guessing it's more of a shorthand, but still that's his main concern.


tommyrot - Apr 17, 2008 6:18:52 am PDT #2320 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Gonzales can't find a job

Ha!

Of course, he deserves to rot in jail for the rest of his life for his part in committing crimes against humanity, but still....

It's weird, but after WWII we executed Nazi war criminals for doing what members of this administration have done....


Jessica - Apr 17, 2008 6:19:21 am PDT #2321 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

wasn't he just saying that lots of people don't trust government to make things better for them and have turned their attention and trust to other things?

Yes, but the way it came out was more like "People in rural Pennsylvania only go to church and like guns because they're too poor to know any better."

Obviously if he knew it was going to be on the news he would have phrased it better (or not said it at all), but yeesh. Not a shining moment for someone who's best known as a great orator.


Emily - Apr 17, 2008 6:23:10 am PDT #2322 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

"People in rural Pennsylvania only go to church and like guns because they're too poor to know any better."

Really? I mean, I know that's how some people have interpreted it, but I thought he was very clear in saying that they have good reason not to trust government, and that they turn their attention to these other things.

Obviously, what ends up mattering is how people interpret it, and of course I tend to assign the best interpretation to whatever he says, but I thought he was specifically NOT saying, "Those dumb hicks do this stupid stuff because they're stupid."


Emily - Apr 17, 2008 6:24:04 am PDT #2323 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

And it occurs to me to wonder -- have either of the Dems outlined a clear plan for getting out of Iraq?