Buffy: How was school today? Dawn: The usual. A big square building filled with boredom and despair. Buffy: Just how I remember it.

'The Killer In Me'


The Minearverse 6: Fiery Thread of Death

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath. Oh, and help us get Terriers dvds!


P.M. Marc - May 15, 2008 3:22:34 pm PDT #741 of 4535
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

It looks both entertaining and problematic. I saw echoes of "Anne" in there, and will no doubt watch and critique.


Tamara - May 15, 2008 3:32:20 pm PDT #742 of 4535
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

I think I need someone to define the word squicky.


Tim Minear - May 15, 2008 3:45:09 pm PDT #743 of 4535
"Don' be e-scared"

I'm curious, a lot of the potential squick has been linked with feminist concerns, which I get -- and I also know that everyone is speculating on a thing they haven't seen, so I'm not even asking this as someone who knows exactly what the what is -- does it lessen your speculative squick at all knowing that the Dolls are both male and female? Just curious.


Kristen - May 15, 2008 3:48:24 pm PDT #744 of 4535

I'm curious to know what people found squicky. For me, it was the dude who wanted someone to pretend to love him. * Oh and the Papyrus font.

* Not that that is an unexpected development, given the premise of the show but it's still my least favorite part of the concept.


SailAweigh - May 15, 2008 3:50:05 pm PDT #745 of 4535
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

That didn't squick me at all because it seems like it's the first place most people would go when given the option. It would be more odd to ignore it.


Kristen - May 15, 2008 3:52:51 pm PDT #746 of 4535

does it lessen your speculative squick at all knowing that the Dolls are both male and female?

Mine is an equal opportunity squick.


Steph L. - May 15, 2008 3:59:13 pm PDT #747 of 4535
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

does it lessen your speculative squick at all knowing that the Dolls are both male and female?

Like Kristen, my squick is equal opportunity. (I also don't like the Papyrus font. [That is, I don't like it being used in the trailer; I think it's fine in certain print/Web jobs.])

My squick, very specifically, is this: the memory-erasing* of the -- was it "Actives"? -- after they participate in a job that they don't seem to have had any choice in selecting rings very VERY strongly to me of sexual abuse and suppressed memories. Even if the Active is being hired for a non-sexual gig. It's not the content of the gig that squicks me; it's the mind-wiping afterwards. (Do they employ Willow? Cause that would be *neat.*)

*(1) Yes, I understand that the whole point of the show is that Echo starts to remember stuff, that not everything seems to have been securely erased. (Although that, too, rings of recovered memories, and I'm going to say right now that I don't want to start a discussion about whether recovered memories in abuse victims are valid or not.)

(2) I fully realize that my reaction is probably on the extreme end, because of my own baggage.

I also don't like them sleeping in pods under the floor. A little too "Home" for my taste.


Gris - May 15, 2008 4:05:36 pm PDT #748 of 4535
Hey. New board.

It rings very strongly of those things for me, too. I think that's intentional. I hope they treat it with the seriousness it deserves, but I certainly got the impression that all the people doing the abusing were the villains, at least - which is a good place to start, if not everything that needs to happen to make it work.

I'm really looking forward to it now, after that trailer. I hope they spend as much time on the horrible psychology as they do the ass-kicking, actually. But then, I LOVED The Inside for that very reason - the rawness of its exploration of the demons it uncovered, in the killers AND in the heroes. I can sense some of that being possible in Dollhouse, with added superpowers. I hope we see a lot of struggle with self as echo recovers memories, especially painful ones - but maybe that's my love for post-insane Faith speaking.


Kristen - May 15, 2008 4:05:44 pm PDT #749 of 4535

Oh and I forgot to say:

Sail, your reasoning for not ignoring it would be the precise reason I would choose to ignore it. At least in the beginning, anyway. But that's just me.


Tamara - May 15, 2008 4:06:37 pm PDT #750 of 4535
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

And the whole "they volunteered for this" part doesn't help, Steph?