And the whole "they volunteered for this" part doesn't help, Steph?
Zoe: I thought you wanted to spend more time off-ship this visit. Wash: Out there is seems like it's all fancy parties. I like our party better. The dress code is easier and I know all the steps.
'Shindig'
The Minearverse 6: Fiery Thread of Death
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath. Oh, and help us get Terriers dvds!
Tamara - May 15, 2008 4:06:37 pm PDT #750 of 4535
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.
Steph L. - May 15, 2008 4:09:37 pm PDT #751 of 4535
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
And the whole "they volunteered for this" part doesn't help, Steph?
When scruffy lab-tech guy said "They volunteered" to black dude in the suit, and black dude in the suit asked, "*Did* they?" I took that to mean that the Actives' involvement was perhaps less than voluntary.
I mean, do we *know* that, from the outset? *Are* the Actives doing the doll gig on a completely voluntary basis?
Kat - May 15, 2008 4:12:12 pm PDT #752 of 4535
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
I'm firmly with Steph. I don't think the exploitation/mindwiping aspect is something I'm going to just work around.
Gris - May 15, 2008 4:16:51 pm PDT #753 of 4535
Hey. New board.
Probably a little of both, if I had to guess. It can't be that simple.
The prostitution comparison is obvious, and must be intended blatantly. Some prostitutes really do get into the gig entirely voluntarily, I'm sure. But there are also well-known rings that force people into them at young ages, psychologically damage them into believing its their choice, and generally take advantage of every way people can abuse one another to get them to do what's good for the bosses. Adding the ability to technologically remove memories and chemically induce desires almost seems unnecessary, but does greatly increase the power of those abusers.
§ ita § - May 15, 2008 4:18:01 pm PDT #754 of 4535
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Gathering from my inability to get at the video now that wasn't a legit posting back then? Damn it!
eta:
I don't think the exploitation/mindwiping aspect is something I'm going to just work around.
I always figured it was the point, so while I'm not on the defensive or pre-squicked, I'm certainly very curious. People signing up for something they were sure they could handle, and then...
Gris - May 15, 2008 4:18:51 pm PDT #755 of 4535
Hey. New board.
ita, there's a link to a Quicktime version at the bottom. Try that.
SailAweigh - May 15, 2008 4:20:24 pm PDT #756 of 4535
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
At least in the beginning, anyway.
I'd prefer it that way, too, but it still wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me. I guess I've spent too much time in male-dominated environments that I don't think twice if that's the first place a guys mind goes to. It's true to life. What matters isn't that it goes there, but how it comes out of it.
§ ita § - May 15, 2008 4:20:26 pm PDT #757 of 4535
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I got nothing, Gris. Just the shiny Q.
Frankenbuddha - May 15, 2008 4:20:49 pm PDT #758 of 4535
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
None of the preview links are working anymore, dammit!
Kat - May 15, 2008 4:23:49 pm PDT #759 of 4535
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
ita, it was a 2 1/2 minute bit, I think, from the upfronts. It had Papyrus font, and not in a good way.