Well, she was and she wasn't. But it's okay to have a character that isn't completely tough if she knows who she is and stuff like that,imo.
I love the smell of desperate librarian in the morning.
Snyder ,'Showtime'
The Minearverse 6: Fiery Thread of Death
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath. Oh, and help us get Terriers dvds!
erikaj - Jul 10, 2009 10:15:00 am PDT #2153 of 4535
Always Anti-fascist!
juliana - Jul 10, 2009 10:33:07 am PDT #2154 of 4535
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…
But it's okay to have a character that isn't completely tough if she knows who she is and stuff like that,imo.
See also, Kaylee.
erikaj - Jul 10, 2009 10:40:30 am PDT #2155 of 4535
Always Anti-fascist!
she's a mechanic...that's kind of badass, imo.
Lee - Jul 10, 2009 10:43:47 am PDT #2156 of 4535
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
When we first met Fred, she had survived 5 years in a hell dimension without her head being exploded. Despite how she died, I think she had a fair amount of kickassedness and agency until then.
Burrell - Jul 10, 2009 11:33:59 am PDT #2157 of 4535
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
I think of Joss as being a self-identified feminist, who is conscious of the issues and history of sexism and yet has some grotesque blind spots that he keeps going back to.
So a human being in other words.
I dunno. I have issues around the whole issue of debating whether someone is or is not a feminist. I feel much more comfortable saying that my take on feminism and his take do not always match up. Then again, I say the same thing about a colleague of mine who works in the women's studies department.
Glamcookie - Jul 10, 2009 11:37:33 am PDT #2158 of 4535
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister
I am Burrell.
erikaj - Jul 10, 2009 11:41:09 am PDT #2159 of 4535
Always Anti-fascist!
Makes sense to me too,but I took too long to get there.
P.M. Marc - Jul 10, 2009 12:28:37 pm PDT #2160 of 4535
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
When we first met Fred, she had survived 5 years in a hell dimension without her head being exploded. Despite how she died, I think she had a fair amount of kickassedness and agency until then.
Yeah. That's why her death irked me so much, because it was an agency free zone for a character who shouldn't have gone that way.
And then there's Dr. Horrible.
Sigh.
Kristen - Jul 10, 2009 1:06:39 pm PDT #2161 of 4535
and yet has some grotesque blind spots that he keeps going back to.
I have no idea who is or is not a feminist in real life. (I'm not even sure I know how one defines "feminist" these days.) I think that most writers have those kind of blind spots. Some are just more noticeable than others.
I do wish that Joss would talk less about being a feminist in interviews. Because, personally, when he talks about empowering women, I feel burdened (by my annoyance).
Oh hey. Maybe that's what he meant.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 10, 2009 2:44:51 pm PDT #2162 of 4535
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Yeah. That's why her death irked me so much, because it was an agency free zone for a character who shouldn't have gone that way.
I didn't so much mind that she had no way to save herself—to my mind a human vs. Great Old One cage match only has one possible outcome. And a bit of crying and whimpering is certainly understandable when you're being devoured body and soul. I think the thing that was off-putting to me was all the guys swearing devotion while gathered around her bed, like Joss had been chomping at the bit to stage a production of La Traviata.
Things got better once Illyria made its entrance.