I'll be tuning in next week. I was fascinated by the way Echo turned the call and response with Boyd around on him, the "do you trust me" coming from her instead of him. It starts opening the same can of worms that seem to have resulted in Alpha going amok. Is it part of Caroline emerging, is it failure of the mindwipe or is it a new identity being built spontaneously around the absence of Caroline and Echo that is emerging? Is it the physical brain structure holding on to little bits of each imprint and trying to build something new? At what point will a completely different and self-aware conscious emerge? Will it be aware that it ever was Caroline/Echo? Is it murder to destroy that emerging conscious to wipe it back to Echo or even to put the original Caroline back in?

It's sci fi, Joss can really play with this from the technical aspect and from the philisophical. There's still so much we don't understand about the working of the human brain and about what makes us--us. Cogito ergo sum. But what are the beginnings of cogito and who is the sum?

Reed Diamond's character strikes me as very much not a good guy. He was abusing Echo, knowing she couldn't defend herself or remember it later.

Ah, but how much more satisfying was Echo's shoulder thump following on the heels of his smug dickery? I think that may have been my AHA! moment for this series, like the kick into the engine turbine or Darla showing her game face.

"Are you sorry? Really?"

Too much sexing. I hope she doesn't have to be sold for sex every week. The framework I don't mind. But if she keeps being literally whored out, I lose interest.

I really liked Langton in this episode. I liked his arc a lot. And Reed Diamond's character is appropriately nasty--I can get behind that too. Eliza and Helo are the weak points for me.

Well, from the Promo, next week Echo is a bodyguard. But literal whoring is a big part of the premise. Being able to buy not just sex, not just a personality type and skill set, but someone who genuinely thinks themselves in love or has a serious crush/serious lust is the one of the few things the dollhouse offers a billionare can't buy elsewhere. Yeah its not real, but it goes beyond acting.

And Eliza was convincing this week. Then again, her character was a vulnerable badass.

I am completely uninterested in the idea of a blank slate being prepped for the best sex a man has ever had. I think it's unimaginative and doesn't bear repeating. Even if you flip the script and have it be a male whore, it holds no interest for me.

Next week Eliza's not just security. She's also a backup singer wearing one of the shortest skirts in the world.

I think that it's interesting that they seem to think that all guys want some sort of danger junkie girl. First week had Echo racing motorcycles, this week white water rafting.

I would ordinarily agree with you, but I think that the fact that they had sex, then he kicked her out to hunt her tells you something about the guy.

Well, I'm not sure it's all guys - two episodes in and all.

"Guns! Can I have one?" - Topher at the beginning

I'm with victor:

Again, the horrid things are the context of the show, not the subject. The subject is identity, and about whether it can be completely suppressed, erased or overwritten.

I mean, the premise has the capacity to become horribly offensive if week after week Echo is hired for sex, but that isn't what happens. They've done Echo as a 60 year old, Echo as a singer, Echo as a blind lady yadada.

I'm not sure it's all guys - two episodes in and all.

So far we know of 4 of her missions. 3 of them involved falling for a guy. You tell me we get to see 60 year old Echo, but why should I stay around for that when the sex stuff alternately bores me or makes me want to spork people's eyes? What am I supposed to think if someone who hasn't ingested more of the show isn't around to try and mitigate it?

It's Joss's job, not yours.