And boys -- let's watch the swearing.

Mayor ,'Chosen'


The Minearverse 6: Fiery Thread of Death

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath. Oh, and help us get Terriers dvds!


§ ita § - Feb 20, 2009 9:13:42 pm PST #1909 of 4535
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm not sure it's all guys - two episodes in and all.

So far we know of 4 of her missions. 3 of them involved falling for a guy. You tell me we get to see 60 year old Echo, but why should I stay around for that when the sex stuff alternately bores me or makes me want to spork people's eyes? What am I supposed to think if someone who hasn't ingested more of the show isn't around to try and mitigate it?

It's Joss's job, not yours.


Consuela - Feb 20, 2009 9:14:10 pm PST #1910 of 4535
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

this week white water rafting

And a piss-poor rock-climber.

At least she got down the cliff facing the right direction, although with those boots on she shouldn't have gotten down at all.

I'm falling down on the believability here. I can accept the implausibility of the premise, but there's no good reason for a woman running for her life to randomly take off her shirt--especially when she's running through the woods. Among other things.

I did like Langton here, though: he was appropriately badass, and I was very pleased she ended up defending herself instead of needing to be rescued.


Kevin - Feb 20, 2009 9:21:51 pm PST #1911 of 4535
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

but why should I stay around for that when the sex stuff alternately bores me or makes me want to spork people's eyes?

If you don't like it, don't watch ita. I'm absolutely prepared and able to accept that the first few episodes of Dollhouse will loose the show viewers on multiple levels - first episode, quality, for instance. And if you're not cool with the prospect of sex with blank slates, you won't like the show 'cos that's part of the premise. Every show has entry barriers, in particular genre shows.


Vortex - Feb 20, 2009 9:25:31 pm PST #1912 of 4535
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

but there's no good reason for a woman running for her life to randomly take off her shirt--especially when she's running through the woods.

she was hot.

I did like Langton here, though: he was appropriately badass,

Harry Lennix is made of win.


§ ita § - Feb 20, 2009 9:26:50 pm PST #1913 of 4535
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I said three eps, so it gets three eps. But if the missions are boring, three it is.

eta: Harry Lennix is made of win.

There definitely is that. I do want to watch him every week.


Typo Boy - Feb 20, 2009 10:03:51 pm PST #1914 of 4535
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I am completely uninterested in the idea of a blank slate being prepped for the best sex a man has ever had.

Oh I agree. I'm just saying it seems obvious that literal whoring is going to be a big part of the script. And you are right that it does not have to be. Just because that is a key part of the fictional Dollhouse's business model does not mean it has to be focus of the show. But it seems like given that prostitution is part of the business model, the writers, and specifically Joss, are going to focus a lot of their attention on it. In spite of all the "ambassador" stuff it always looked like a good part of the reason for Inara in Firefly was Joss's "plus, there's a whore".

Though if you really look at it, she may be being whored, but her character is not a whore, but a rape victim. Yeah she signed a general consent form. But in effect when she goes with these guys, she is being fed extremely sophisticate roofies. She is being brainwashed into thinking she is in love with them. Inara at least had agency, if not judgement. And besides skeevy, if "Echo is brainwashed into falling in love with a new skeeveball" is too frequent a theme, then as you say it will be boring. Admittedly having the guy try to hunt her down and kill her, and she gets to fight back was a real varietion.


Kevin - Feb 20, 2009 10:24:58 pm PST #1915 of 4535
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Somebody at Whedonesque just called the show "Wolfram and Hart's prostitution division"


Polter-Cow - Feb 20, 2009 10:25:53 pm PST #1916 of 4535
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I'm with victor. This episode was better. It was a little less uncomfortable, but it was still squicky. I find that as long as they keep the focus off Echo, I'm okay. Which...may lead to some issues.

Harry Lennix is made of win.

It's true. Can he be the main character instead?


Fay - Feb 20, 2009 10:31:49 pm PST #1917 of 4535
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

"plus, there's a whore".

sighs

You know, I loved Firefly with a big burny love, so much so that initially I really didn't mind that Inara's plotline was so handwavey, and just mentally filled in all the blanks. But that summary does speak volumes about why I had to make up my own interesting, rounded, Bene Gesserit-style backstory. 'Cause not only was Joss not very interested in filling in the blanks there, he was also giving us a world where current day attitudes to sexuality and sex workers were up front and personal, with Mal's language. All the bloody time. Which couldn't help but undermine the whole 'Hey, it's a respected profession!' thing.

Eh. I hope Dollhouse pulls its socks up.


Kevin - Feb 20, 2009 10:48:39 pm PST #1918 of 4535
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Morena gave out Inara's back story recently. Bad Morena.

Harry is a great actor, and Boyd really is The Best Character they have. He doesn't like what they're doing, he doesn't like what he's doing, and he's the emotional connection the show desperately needs. Harry absolutely fucking nails the "Do you trust me?" "With my life" scene.