I don't know though... the Doctor is still subjectively older than Jack is at this point, right? And while he's avoid-y over the pain of losing people, I don't get the sense that it's numbed him to the impact of death. It may be more something in Jack's own character than a natural consequence of immortality.
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Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 23, 2009 5:38:24 am PDT #8997 of 30001
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sumi - Jul 23, 2009 5:39:28 am PDT #8998 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!
Want back story on Alice's mother.
I wonder if she tried to hide Alice from Jack - or if Jack disappeared on her.
It does make me worry for Ianto.
Vortex - Jul 23, 2009 5:55:52 am PDT #8999 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
I wonder if she tried to hide Alice from Jack - or if Jack disappeared on her.
Alice talked about him watching Mom Mum grow older and being at her funeral, so there was at least some contact.
Theodosia - Jul 23, 2009 6:29:36 am PDT #9000 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
Yeah, but it seems like something significant happened in 1965 with their family. And I'm thinking it had something to do with Jack's role in giving up the 12 children, or was there a specific threat to child Alice as in the 456 wanted her?
It's all very creepifying.
sumi - Jul 23, 2009 6:36:07 am PDT #9001 of 30001
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How old do you think Alice is? How old was she in 1977 when her mother asked her to be put undercover. (Was that the British version of WitSec?)
Theodosia - Jul 23, 2009 6:38:11 am PDT #9002 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
She's old enough to look older than Jack -- I'm guestimating 40+
Barb - Jul 23, 2009 6:54:19 am PDT #9003 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”
What years did they say that Alice's mother was in Torchwood? Like from 1967? I got the impression that Alice was in her early 40s and wasn't born yet in 1965. And I would suspect and this is just me perhaps romanticizing a bit in my projections, that perhaps it was his relationship with Alice's mother that made him a bit more alive. That started turning him toward making Torchwood better rather than the government tool it had been.
Jon B. - Jul 23, 2009 7:58:58 am PDT #9004 of 30001
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the Doctor is still subjectively older than Jack is at this point, right?
Depends if you include that time when Jack was buried for 2000 years.
Trudy Booth - Jul 23, 2009 8:10:09 am PDT #9005 of 30001
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I don't know though... the Doctor is still subjectively older than Jack is at this point, right? And while he's avoid-y over the pain of losing people, I don't get the sense that it's numbed him to the impact of death. It may be more something in Jack's own character than a natural consequence of immortality.
Don't forget, Jack is Human. The Doctor is a Time Lord and probably better equipped to deal with these things.
But sure, their individual characters surely come into play.
quester - Jul 23, 2009 8:16:53 am PDT #9006 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.
I hope that more of the hub survived, but was buried from prying eyes by the explosion.
Jack seems to be the ultimate pragmatist. He'll do what's needs to be done, no matter how untasteful it might be. The girl he let the fairies have was already gone as far as being a normal kid. She gave herself to them.
The deal with the 456 was probably the only alternative to something worse. Plus, they promised not to come back, apparently. And I'll bet that Jack warned about that the first time. He was old Torchwood back then, and I don't think he liked the way they did things.
Completely unspoiled, just clinging to Jack's better nature.
And what Trudy said!