Damn you, Bridget! Damn you to Hades! You broke my heart in a million pieces! You made me love you, and then you-- I SHAVED MY BEARD FOR YOU, DEVIL WOMAN!

Monty ,'Trash'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Trudy Booth - Jul 23, 2009 5:11:19 am PDT #8996 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I'm also wondering how far underground the Hub went and if it was built on the rift what the explosion might do - I mean could Grey and the aliens in storage have been blasted into another dimension?

That's probably more reasonable than the explainataion they'll come up with as soon as they need one in a story.

I've been wondering why the site didn't fill with water from the bay.

I've been thinking about Jack's actions in 1965 in light of him now knowing what happened to Grey.

I wonder if it's due to a certain deadness within him because of the whole immortal thing.

They certainly seem to be showing that he doesn't do great with watching the people he loves grow old and die again and again. I can see how that would make death seem so inevitable that it doesn't really matter when or how it comes.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 23, 2009 5:38:24 am PDT #8997 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I don't know though... the Doctor is still subjectively older than Jack is at this point, right? And while he's avoid-y over the pain of losing people, I don't get the sense that it's numbed him to the impact of death. It may be more something in Jack's own character than a natural consequence of immortality.


sumi - Jul 23, 2009 5:39:28 am PDT #8998 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Want back story on Alice's mother.

I wonder if she tried to hide Alice from Jack - or if Jack disappeared on her.

It does make me worry for Ianto.


Vortex - Jul 23, 2009 5:55:52 am PDT #8999 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I wonder if she tried to hide Alice from Jack - or if Jack disappeared on her.

Alice talked about him watching Mom Mum grow older and being at her funeral, so there was at least some contact.


Theodosia - Jul 23, 2009 6:29:36 am PDT #9000 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Yeah, but it seems like something significant happened in 1965 with their family. And I'm thinking it had something to do with Jack's role in giving up the 12 children, or was there a specific threat to child Alice as in the 456 wanted her?

It's all very creepifying.


sumi - Jul 23, 2009 6:36:07 am PDT #9001 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

How old do you think Alice is? How old was she in 1977 when her mother asked her to be put undercover. (Was that the British version of WitSec?)


Theodosia - Jul 23, 2009 6:38:11 am PDT #9002 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

She's old enough to look older than Jack -- I'm guestimating 40+


Barb - Jul 23, 2009 6:54:19 am PDT #9003 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

What years did they say that Alice's mother was in Torchwood? Like from 1967? I got the impression that Alice was in her early 40s and wasn't born yet in 1965. And I would suspect and this is just me perhaps romanticizing a bit in my projections, that perhaps it was his relationship with Alice's mother that made him a bit more alive. That started turning him toward making Torchwood better rather than the government tool it had been.


Jon B. - Jul 23, 2009 7:58:58 am PDT #9004 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

the Doctor is still subjectively older than Jack is at this point, right?

Depends if you include that time when Jack was buried for 2000 years.


Trudy Booth - Jul 23, 2009 8:10:09 am PDT #9005 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I don't know though... the Doctor is still subjectively older than Jack is at this point, right? And while he's avoid-y over the pain of losing people, I don't get the sense that it's numbed him to the impact of death. It may be more something in Jack's own character than a natural consequence of immortality.

Don't forget, Jack is Human. The Doctor is a Time Lord and probably better equipped to deal with these things.

But sure, their individual characters surely come into play.