Day 5: I hate them, I hate them, I hate them. I guess it's all done for, then.
Mal: Well, you were right about this being a bad idea. Zoe: Thanks for sayin', sir.
'Serenity'
Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
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§ ita § - Jul 10, 2009 1:26:00 pm PDT #8736 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Dana - Jul 10, 2009 2:07:52 pm PDT #8737 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."
Day 5:
Okay, so if their goal was to make me never want to watch Jack Harkness again, they succeeded. Jesus Christ.
§ ita § - Jul 10, 2009 2:20:13 pm PDT #8738 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It was pretty harsh. They narratively boxed him into a flobotinum corner. Why????
Dana - Jul 10, 2009 2:24:07 pm PDT #8739 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."
And Ianto had to die because he never would have let Jack get away with that shit. And apparently to give Jack more angst. Whatever. Fuck Jack's angst.
God, I'm angry. I'm not sure I ever feel like a show I love has literally been destroyed while I was watching.
Zenkitty - Jul 10, 2009 2:45:09 pm PDT #8740 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
Hm. Maybe I'll skip watching this and allow myself to pretend it never happened.
beekaytee - Jul 10, 2009 2:57:59 pm PDT #8741 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant
I've only seen the first 10 minutes on youtube but I have to say...and I'm tempted to use a word I pretty much never say...but Jack is wussiest of wussies (okay, I couldn't bring myself to use the actual word) in a way that pulls the rug out from under the entire series. How could they do that? It just doesn't make any sense, unless they wanted to help us grieve for the end of the show by making us not give a crap. Or worse, be glad it's over .
From the comments, I'm not sure I'll watch the rest.
Zenkitty - Jul 10, 2009 3:15:28 pm PDT #8742 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
Is the show over? I don't even know. Was this the swan song, or will there be another season?
§ ita § - Jul 10, 2009 3:16:29 pm PDT #8743 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't think that Jack was in any way wussy-- in fact, I generally agree with the call to sacrifice one versus millions. But that doesn't mean I want to see my heroes make it. It is nasty. They had to kill Ianto otherwise Jack couldn't have left. But they did NOT have to have Jack kill his grandson. There are other less awful things he could have done.
§ ita § - Jul 10, 2009 3:19:06 pm PDT #8744 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
ZK I think it has to be over. I don't want to see any more--because they've soured me on Jack, and because there's no team left. Puts a different spin on John Barrowman's complaining the show was done wrong by the five hour miniseries. But that wasn't the real issue.
beekaytee - Jul 10, 2009 3:37:54 pm PDT #8745 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant
ita, I'm basing my use of the term wuss on the first 5 minutes of tonight's episode when he seems to have just given up and given in. My sense of Jack in previous incarnations is that he'd keep fighting, even when it didn't make sense to do so. I get that he has a lot the not caring about other people's interests but, his SO getting killed and his family being threatened would have brought out the 'fuck you!' in him.
I'm perfectly willing to accept that view as personal, wishful thinking.
He let's his grandson die? Huh.