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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Polter-Cow - Mar 23, 2009 2:03:48 pm PDT #7549 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

What is B ark?


Strega - Mar 23, 2009 2:47:58 pm PDT #7550 of 30001

Wouldn't you strip the train of everything you need to survive where you get dropped off.

But "everything you need to survive" isn't there in the first place. Again, see New Caprica. When the reward for finding a chance to survive is the last tube of toothpaste, what is there to take?

If you want electricity, are you going to force people at gunpoint to keep working in the refinery so that the ones who are planetside can have it? I don't see that working out well.


dcp - Mar 23, 2009 3:57:42 pm PDT #7551 of 30001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

What is B ark?

It's a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy allusion: [link]


Polter-Cow - Mar 23, 2009 4:00:28 pm PDT #7552 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Aha! Thanks.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 23, 2009 5:22:29 pm PDT #7553 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

One other nitpick, a million light-years away isn't in the galaxy, it's in nowhere, middle of empty space, nada.

Maybe Colonial years are twice as long as ours? That would put Andromeda within range.


Gudanov - Mar 23, 2009 5:58:29 pm PDT #7554 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

Maybe Colonial years are twice as long as ours? That would put Andromeda within range.

Or really short years, Caprica was orbiting a red dwarf. Actually, I feel silly evening bringing it up actually, it wasn't an important line.


Gudanov - Mar 23, 2009 6:16:53 pm PDT #7555 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

If you want electricity, are you going to force people at gunpoint to keep working in the refinery so that the ones who are planetside can have it? I don't see that working out well.

I always assumed they needed the refinery to make fuel for thrust, but power came from fusion reactors. Land a ship and instant power station. No real basis for that though.

I just don't buy that you'd get that many people to all agree to give up their technology. Some sure. But things like algae growing thingy would be awfully useful until you managed get a reliable source of food, guns are good for hunting and dealing with large predators, ships are good shelter until you can make something. That Lampkin was getting ready to make plans for a city would seem to indicate they had the ability to build some infrastructure.

It just seemed too unrealistic and preachy for me to buy. In a series where their has always been dissension and conflict it just didn't work for me that everyone would buy into what is a huge decision. For me, it could have just dropped that part and it would have worked better. They could still send the fleet into the sun (that's it they aren't traveling through the stars anymore) and I'd just mentally fill in they took everything they could use first.


quester - Mar 23, 2009 6:52:09 pm PDT #7556 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

I wasn't really bothered by these questions while I was watching. Most of the stuff felt right or hilarious by turns and I just enjoyed the ride.

Even now, after reading the negative comments and seeing the points everyone has made, I still feel good about how it ended. I can't wait to get it all on DVD, see the deleted scenes and watch the finale as one 3-hour block.

I'm looking forward to The Plan and Caprica. No show is perfect, but this one was damn good!


victor infante - Mar 23, 2009 7:46:12 pm PDT #7557 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I really didn't take Galactica as "technology is evil." They stopped carrying the last few pieces of a dead civilization. They'd given up most of it a while ago.

I posted a bit more at length about this on TWOP, but I think, in a lot of ways, the finale works better metaphorically than (perhaps) it does literally. The civilization was gone, and what needed to happen was for them to accept that it was gone, to disappear, Roanoke/Croatan style, into their new land. Their blood survives, their races, but that's all.


Strega - Mar 23, 2009 8:00:51 pm PDT #7558 of 30001

In a series where their has always been dissension and conflict it just didn't work for me that everyone would buy into what is a huge decision.

No, I can see that. I was talking to a friend earlier today and we did talk about how it would have played a little better if they'd been like, "We're going to pioneer instead of colonize. Nobody's organizing this. If you want to try to put together a little fishing village with your culty pals, or you want to go build a cabin on a hilltop, whatever, go for it. We got you here, the rest is on you." Which isn't something Apollo could say.

Although Tigh or Lampkin totally could.

I guess for me the key point was that the leaders basically abdicated. So even if some people didn't like the decision... what're they going to do about it? "Give us guns & ammo, or we'll, um, poke you with these not-entirely-dull sticks!"

But going way back I thought that Galactica was sort of the opposite of Babylon 5. B5 was all about how people form groups, and this show was all about how groups develop schisms and fall apart. So I guess just at that level having everyone drift off alone or in pairs kind of worked for me.