Yes, it's terribly simple. The good guys are always stalwart and true, the bad guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats, and, uh, we always defeat them and save the day. No one ever dies, and everybody lives happily ever after.

Giles ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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Dana - Mar 21, 2009 11:45:14 am PDT #7490 of 30001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I think the metal Terminators from the movie could become pretty much anything they wanted.


Theodosia - Mar 21, 2009 12:09:19 pm PDT #7491 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

And it's possible that the T2000s Have A Plan for her.


Juliebird - Mar 21, 2009 1:25:44 pm PDT #7492 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Aaaand, still not impressed by the finale of BSG.

In the end, though, Lee's flashbacks had the best narrative structure, because they bookended his relationship with Kara. Tigh and Ellen's flashbacks to him being obnoxiously drunk? Okay, there was Ellen declaring her love and wanting to be with him no matter where, just with. I could step back and say it was appropriate for the characters to be at a strip joint and annoyingly drunk, but on the whole, narratively, jarring.

Adama and Roslin was lovely, and made me cry, but I'm still wtf over him going off forever to die alone and never see his son again.

NOBODY HAS SUPPLIES!!!! I think Baltar had the biggest rucksack.

There were so many things that didn't work, and hearing Ron Moore in The Last Frakkin' Special describe his trouble over the plot, and then happily declaring "we don't need a plot, it's about the characters!" makes me want him to turn blue. So many moments during the action where I was "wait, how did they get there? How did the fleet know of Kara's super seekrit Bob Dylan coordinates? Why didn't they do this before and then immediately do that after?!" And then the quieter "character" moments were so disjointed and left me cold.

Also, where was Adama and Saul's goodbye? Huh? HUH?!


Juliebird - Mar 21, 2009 1:31:52 pm PDT #7493 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Also, everytime I see Helo and then Ballard, I'm amazed at how charming and likeable and dynamic Helo is, and how flat and flat and flat Ballard is.

Also, Helo lives!

Also, really pissed that Athena's emotional rollercoaster went from "depressed, angry, given up, why bother, Hera's already dead" to a very sane, calm involvement with the rescue mission, to broken again, to blissful. I just, that depth of despair and betrayal and hopelessness, to have no scars or residual damage... But it's all about the characters so we won't see that shit.


Pete, Husband of Jilli - Mar 21, 2009 1:48:17 pm PDT #7494 of 30001
"I've got a gun! I've got a mother-flippin' gun!" - Moss, The IT Crowd

How did the fleet know of Kara's super seekrit Bob Dylan coordinates?

While the crew were lying in the tall grass watching the natives with binocs, the short-lived Admiral of the basestar (can't remember his name) did mention that he was relieved to see the recon ship appearing out of jump at the fleet.

That was one of the plot points that was at least covered, but it was a sneeze-and-you'll-miss-it comment.


Laura - Mar 21, 2009 1:53:37 pm PDT #7495 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

but I'm still wtf over him going off forever to die alone and never see his son again.

I felt rather bad for Lee. His dad takes off then Kara takes off.


le nubian - Mar 21, 2009 1:55:13 pm PDT #7496 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I said to Beau after watching the finale: "you know, I probably could live in the 1800s if pressed, I'm not sure I could live before the fucking Bronze Age." Who knew this was going to end up as "Battlestar Galactica: Clan of the Cave Bear."

I'm sorry, I need at least some technology.

The other thing that kept running through my mind is the Prime Directive. I kept thinking: can't the 38,000 survivors all camp out in a coastal region of North America? They could have their technology, build a society, keep knowledge of society alive and let those in Africa do their own thing? You could rebuild a whole world full of people with 38,000 people.


Theodosia - Mar 21, 2009 2:09:16 pm PDT #7497 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I'm still thinking that these 'humans' pretty much all die out because of their stupid plan, except for Hera who gets adopted by the locals and so becomes Mitochondrial Eve. Because it's that stupid a plan.

At least a step-by-step process for giving up high technology in favor of Stone Age techniques needs a couple generations to do it without immediate widespread famine and death. Ideally, you'd like a native Inuit or !Kung or Aborigine to be there and give you lots of tutelage, because it's damn complicated and terribly dependent on the local environment. Hunting-gathering involves not only knowledge of hundreds of plants and behavior of specific animal species, but also cooking and preservation techniques, walking dozens of miles in a single day, and so on.

They Are So Doomed. ::tears at hair::


sumi - Mar 21, 2009 2:38:56 pm PDT #7498 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

I know! They are doomed and they seem so unaware of their doom - that's why the ending is unsatisfactory to me.

EJO in the WSJ.


sumi - Mar 21, 2009 2:42:11 pm PDT #7499 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Oh, even when Baltar talks about knowing about cultivation - I thought: cultivating what? Did they bring seeds with them?