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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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Juliebird - Mar 03, 2008 6:05:40 pm PST #716 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Yeah, as much as I loved the b-day present, that was a simple timeline to keep intact, unless with the current timeline pushing the future Judgement Day further and further back, the future history keeps getting rewritten and pushed back as well, so perhaps with all the timey wimey stuff, with a dash of Frequency consequences, this new future has Kyle being born *before* JD. Not that I'm keeping track of when the new JD actually is, if it's not in '97 anymore, or any of the timeline stuff, in fact. My head blew up when I read that Sarah and Kyle were supposed to be 19 in the first movie, so all bets are off on my planet.


Vortex - Mar 03, 2008 6:37:23 pm PST #717 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Seems that my cursing furiously at the tv saved Agent Ellison from sharing the same fate as other beloved and recently converted black FBI agents...

I find it unlikely that he wouldn't shoot Ellison. Yes, Ellison can't do anything to stop him, but the guy that would just randomly kill the guy from a school wouldn't leave a threat alive. OTOH, maybe Ellison has something to do with Judgment Day and that's why Cromartie left him alive. But, seeing as how the future has changed with Ellison believing in Judgment Day and now being pissed his friend was killed, that was perhaps the wrong move.


Juliebird - Mar 03, 2008 6:45:46 pm PST #718 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Yeah, in my relief I overlooked the implausibility of it. I did have a brief inkling that perhaps Ellison does indeed play some role in the coming apocalypse, because otherwise, yeah, why leave him alive when the gym teacher gets a possibly fatal shove to the wall.

Unless they are going the truly bizzare direction of the new and improved Cromartie learning to be more human. Which, based on his model, as much I as I understand it, wouldn't do that, or maybe not. It certainly would make things more interesting. Potential allies having the capability or persuasion to be bad, and bad guys having the potential to show "humanity". Definitely interesting tv viewing possibilities, as opposed to straigth-up "bad to the bone" villains, and with Garret Dillahunt in the role, that would give him some more room to play. But I could just be overly optimistic here.


quester - Mar 03, 2008 6:48:51 pm PST #719 of 30001
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Vortex - Mar 03, 2008 6:50:27 pm PST #720 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

theoretically, he could have chosen not to kill ellison because ellison was not an immediate threat, and it was not his mission. however seeing as how cromartie has injured/killed other people just for yelling at him (i.e. the coach),it's wierd that he would walk away unless there was something in his programming telling him not to kill ellison.


Ginger - Mar 03, 2008 6:53:02 pm PST #721 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I wondered whether Ellison might play some future role that the terminator had in his files. The other explanation is Cameron's focus on the mission. At that point, Ellison couldn't stop him, and Ellison isn't the mission.

eta: Ah, the wonders of the crosspost. In the gym, he was focused on finding John, so he threw aside someone who was trying to stop him.


Juliebird - Mar 03, 2008 6:57:19 pm PST #722 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

seeing as how cromartie has injured/killed other people just for yelling at him (i.e. the coach)

yeah, there's a discrepancy in the behavior. Why not kill him? He's a nuicance that will come back to haunt him, even moreso than a coach or some guy in a school office (forget the guys position). So, to me, if there aren't any actual plotholes, either Ellison has protection because he unwittingly plays some part in the coming JD, or Cromartie is developing humanish emotions and was pinged in some way by Ellison's acceptance of his inevitable demise.


Vortex - Mar 03, 2008 7:20:47 pm PST #723 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

In the gym, he was focused on finding John, so he threw aside someone who was trying to stop him.

I thought that he didn't throw the coach aside until after he'd identified the kid and knew that he wasn't the John. coach started yelling about C being a perv and C threw him into the wall. C could have just kept moving.


Consuela - Mar 03, 2008 8:06:31 pm PST #724 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Yeah, I think Cromartie identified Ellison as having a role. Of course, that role may well have changed since.


amlai - Mar 04, 2008 1:56:36 am PST #725 of 30001

Maybe Cromartie thinks Ellison will lead him to John?