Tracy: 'When you can't run, you crawl... and when you can't crawl, when you can't do that--' Zoe: 'You find someone to carry you.'

'The Message'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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Stephanie - Mar 01, 2009 8:49:33 am PST #7002 of 30001
Trust my rage

I really wish Nicky had never been written into the show in the first place. Because the way he was written out pretty much guarantees that I'm going to feel no sympathy for Tyrol losing his imaginary daughter after fucking abandoning his REAL STILL ALIVE CHILD. Not his biologically, sure, but he was Nicky's parent for 2 years. He doesn't get to walk away from that and take any of my sympathy with him.

I don't know how often this happens in real life, but I think it's a completely repugnant story line.


Juliebird - Mar 01, 2009 9:15:36 am PST #7003 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I took the imaginary daughter to be a projection of Hera, and so the disappearance was just confirmation that Hera was gone, and Chief was freaking out over Hera, not the imaginary daughter. I dunno, I suddenly leapt to a place where the girls were "daughters of an 8" and therefore they were suddenly both Hera. That the loss of the imaginary compounded the loss of the real.


le nubian - Mar 01, 2009 10:44:24 am PST #7004 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Okay, does this make any sense?

I thought the piano player was Starbuck's father and that his image came out of her own mind. Since I am now assuming she is half-cylon, I figure she has the power to do the visualization stuff that Boomer did with Tyrol.

One thing I didn't particularly like about the BSG episode is that I thought it was a little too heavy in the ship=Roslin symbolism, which I assume will only get WAY worse next week.


Juliebird - Mar 01, 2009 10:59:34 am PST #7005 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

a little too heavy in the ship=Roslin

I didn't pick that up at all. I barely remember her in the ep, beyond signing Boomers extradition papers and collapsing at the end.

Interestingly, Bear mentioned that a Roslin/Adama subplot got completely cut from the ep.

does this make any sense?

makes sense to me! Although I'm not sure that it then follows that her father was Daniel . . . could be that her father was a child of Daniel or one of the other Final Five, and Starbuck is 1/4 cylon.

eta that I hope he is Daniel because Roark is hot!


le nubian - Mar 01, 2009 11:19:25 am PST #7006 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Adama says something like "I'm not giving up on this ship" and then we cut to a reaction shot of Roslin in the same room.

Then when Galactica get a hole in the side, she passes out. I just wish they had softened that a little. I get that Roslin and Galactica are both dying.


Juliebird - Mar 01, 2009 11:37:44 am PST #7007 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

gotcha. Still don't mind it.

Wild spec: with Galactica being repaired with the cylon goo, the ship gains sentience and becomes the "dying leader" who will lead them to [a safe haven].


Liese S. - Mar 01, 2009 11:46:52 am PST #7008 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Or, or, we could repair Roslin with cylon goo. What? It worked before!


beekaytee - Mar 01, 2009 12:36:21 pm PST #7009 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

I thought Roslin's grief at the end had something to do with her connection to Hera and the child being ripped away. Didn't she say Hera's name?

I love the idea of Gallactica becoming Moya. Or, at least, sentient. Every other piece of metal seems to be...why not her?


megan walker - Mar 01, 2009 12:50:21 pm PST #7010 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I really wish Nicky had never been written into the show in the first place. Because the way he was written out pretty much guarantees that I'm going to feel no sympathy for Tyrol losing his imaginary daughter after fucking abandoning his REAL STILL ALIVE CHILD. Not his biologically, sure, but he was Nicky's parent for 2 years. He doesn't get to walk away from that and take any of my sympathy with him.

I hate the whole BTW-not-your-baby storyline, but, if they did want to go there, it would have been way more meaningful to have it not be Hotdog and instead have the "real" father come in and take Nicky away from Tyrol.


§ ita § - Mar 01, 2009 1:05:29 pm PST #7011 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I really don't like that they had to reinstate Hera's snowflakeness because of what whiffs of writers not paying attention to themselves.

But they didn't have to make Chief an ass to accomplish that. They could at least indicate he gives a fuck about the child of his dead wife. Combined with his behaviour this ep, I am less sympathetic for him than for, say, Gaeta. He's a weak-willed, selfish idiot.