You're talking to Serenity. And, Early... Serenity is very unhappy.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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Jessica - Feb 28, 2009 8:51:24 am PST #6985 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I really wish Nicky had never been written into the show in the first place. Because the way he was written out pretty much guarantees that I'm going to feel no sympathy for Tyrol losing his imaginary daughter after fucking abandoning his REAL STILL ALIVE CHILD. Not his biologically, sure, but he was Nicky's parent for 2 years. He doesn't get to walk away from that and take any of my sympathy with him.

DH brought up the possibility that they could have left Nicky as a hybrid and have Boomer kidnap him in this ep instead of Hera. Would have taken away from Hera's special place in the universe, but wouldn't have had me thinking "Oh, fuck you Galen" during all of the projection sequences.

(Or they could have killed him off and handwaved some kind of hybrid's-don't-live-very-long-except-Hera-because-she's-special thing. Really, almost anything would have been better than the retcon they came up with.)

If Kara's dad was a Daniel, do we think Cavil sought out and killed all the existing models in addition to poisoning the replacements so they couldn't resurrect?


Jessica - Feb 28, 2009 8:52:28 am PST #6986 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I think Cavil gives Hera to Simon to experiment on. He won't kill her right away until he understands what she is and how she came to be.


quester - Feb 28, 2009 8:55:09 am PST #6987 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

I think killing all of the replacements pretty much guarantees no resurrection. So, maybe there was only one viable Daniel. And he was Kara's father.

That still doesn't explain the hallucination Kara was seeing and interacting with.


Jessica - Feb 28, 2009 9:01:33 am PST #6988 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Actually, my current working theory is that a surviving Daniel rebuilt Kara using the lab that Cavil mentioned 2 eps back, and so even if she wasn't originally a hybrid, she kind of is now. The "song my dad used to play for me" might have been implanted too - she's not the original Kara so who knows if those are her original memories?


§ ita § - Feb 28, 2009 9:03:47 am PST #6989 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

How did Daniel get to the colonies? Weren't all the others deliberately placed?


quester - Feb 28, 2009 9:04:53 am PST #6990 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

Oh that would explain the vision!Dad. He put himself in her mind!


quester - Feb 28, 2009 9:06:46 am PST #6991 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

Cavill could have kept him on ice and inserted when he sent the others.


Theodosia - Feb 28, 2009 9:08:30 am PST #6992 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Boomer was REALLY insistent that Hera drink from the bottle as she hurried out of the nursery -- I'm supposing that it had sleepy stuff in it, to keep her quiet during loading.


§ ita § - Feb 28, 2009 9:16:29 am PST #6993 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But why would Cavill tolerate the existence of a model he hated so much? I thought the point was to eliminate all traces of him?


Hayden - Feb 28, 2009 9:35:18 am PST #6994 of 30001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Would have taken away from Hera's special place in the universe, but wouldn't have had me thinking "Oh, fuck you Galen" during all of the projection sequences.

Yeah, I had that same problem. Perhaps I could buy it if they'd given him a few minutes of screen time justifying to himself how all the blows of his recent history made him unlikely to be an acceptable dad to anyone.