Angel: Yeah, I never told anyone about this, but I-I liked your poems. Spike: You like Barry Manilow.

'Hell Bound'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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Topic!Cindy - Sep 24, 2008 4:34:18 am PDT #4843 of 30001
What is even happening?

I couldn't watch last night's Eureka, because we're having a cable/TiVo disagreement of epic proportions (the detailed whine is better suited for a blog). I'm dying, here. Allison's pregnant? Jack's been fired? Aye de mi.

But it is taking the pie theme a bit far.

*Checks URL*

* That said, I hope they don't fix this too quickly. We can get fresh new stories with a new sheriff, or the complete lack of one, mayhaps even some cross-country marshalling stories. I like it! Fresh dynamics!

I'd bet folding money Michael Muhney's available, not that I'd ever want him near Eureka. Sorry. I just got a whiff of former sheriff with cute, smart, blonde daughter is caught up in small town intrigue and you know the rest, because you went there, too:

Eva traveled all the way to Farmington LA on the Shield where she is Beaver's mother. (from Veronica Mars)

Heh.

I know we're all "Oh Noes, how can they take Carter's job? How will there be a show?" But honestly, for a guy working in a super-dangerous town where people are dying left and right, who just had to face the prospect of his daughter dying of old age in a month? Getting kicked out and relocating to a safer town probably wouldn't seem like all that horrible a price for saving his daughter and letting one of the people responsible for her cure escape arrest.

The thing is, I think it's Eureka -- despite all its physical dangers -- that has saved Jack and Zoe's relationship, and arguably Zoe's future. Out in the "real world" Jack was a workaholic who couldn't/wouldn't be there for his family because his job required so much of him, and his daughter was headed for huge trouble. In Eureka, he can be the father and man he was meant to be, and she has the sort of environment, and the tools that can help her become the woman she can be.

Our world today is so physically safe, but it wasn't always thus for humanity. In some ways, living in Eureka is like living in a more primative world (albeit with lots of awesome toys) than a modern day Western city. Okay, so the dangers in Eureka are a by-product of the technology (and the humans that invent it) that allows people to escape the wolves, lions, pestilence, and the lack of ability to find sufficient food and shelter, but they're physical threats all the same.

I guess I'm circling around my point -- which I think is that Eureka is dangerous in a different way than say Los Angeles or New York, or Boise, but the world is a dangerous place. You take Zoe out of Eureka, and she's safe from crazy scientists, but she's much more likely to fall prey to any other number of things that could kill her (or ruin her life; or keep/distract her from reaching her potential), and Jack's more likely to be dragged off from doing his most important job -- being her father.


le nubian - Sep 24, 2008 4:35:52 am PDT #4844 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

So you think that the stuff about her having handled only 3rd cases, etc - was all tacked on later?

yeah, I do. I think they must have cut out a scene and swapped it with last week's ep so something would make sense, but the overall feel of the ep was that this was originally intended to come after the pilot.


Jon B. - Sep 24, 2008 4:56:25 am PDT #4845 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I am ita w.r.t. Carter's role in Eureka. I fully expect him to be reinstated as sheriff by the end of the next episode. I mean, they brought Henry back and he was in freakin' prison (and then they made him Mayor!).


Fay - Sep 24, 2008 6:08:45 am PDT #4846 of 30001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

I have achieved Books 2 and 3 of Avatar!

Yay!

...now I just have to figure out when the hell I'm going to ever have any spare time ever again!


Polter-Cow - Sep 24, 2008 6:13:32 am PDT #4847 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

yeah, I do. I think they must have cut out a scene and swapped it with last week's ep so something would make sense, but the overall feel of the ep was that this was originally intended to come after the pilot.

le nubian, I can definitely see where you got that impression. But, yeah, other parts were clearly put in to make it fit as the third episode.


§ ita § - Sep 24, 2008 7:23:30 am PDT #4848 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

other parts were clearly put in to make it fit as the third episode

The scene with Molly and tall dark and ambiguous was episode 3, because wasn't the job offer to Olivia episode 2? And the knowledge that they worked together?


sumi - Sep 24, 2008 7:55:00 am PDT #4849 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Do we know when Eureka will be back?


Polter-Cow - Sep 24, 2008 8:13:19 am PDT #4850 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

The scene with Molly and tall dark and ambiguous was episode 3, because wasn't the job offer to Olivia episode 2? And the knowledge that they worked together?

That's true. I think it's mostly the stuff with John that's confusing because it's weird to have this whole random case before the funeral.


§ ita § - Sep 24, 2008 8:15:42 am PDT #4851 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Do we know when Eureka will be back?

I think it's January.


Typo Boy - Sep 24, 2008 12:32:27 pm PDT #4852 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Unspoiled speculation: Henry as Mayor could appoint Carter to something, either giving him a new permanent position, or keeping him around to be reappointed police chief. (Or what I'd like, but Na Ga Na Ha Pen - Jo is appointed Chief, and Carter gets to be assistant. )