Who was protecting John while Sarah was locked up? I've never seen the Terminator films.
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'Serenity'
Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
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sj - Feb 25, 2008 4:50:25 pm PST #480 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
Frankenbuddha - Feb 25, 2008 4:52:59 pm PST #481 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Who was protecting John while Sarah was locked up?
No one who knew until T2 (i.e. foster care, etc.).
OK, Cameron might be developing aesthetics, but no empathy beyond her programming, apparently.
Frankenbuddha - Feb 25, 2008 5:06:16 pm PST #482 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Whoa, two-hour season finale next week. Cool, but DAMMIT - not enough show! They better renew this.
I'm surprised how much I love this show. Reese's confusion at the end was a thing of beauty (I love undermined prejudices).
Also, where the hell is everybody?
quester - Feb 25, 2008 5:24:59 pm PST #483 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.
At first I thought yeah! and excuse for Summer to dance! But then, the ballet teacher and brother get killed and the whole thing creeped me out!
tiggy - Feb 25, 2008 5:38:00 pm PST #484 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore
yeah...they're really fucking with the timeline by saying she was breaking out in 1997. wasn't the pilot set in 1997 and then they timetravelled to 2007/08? why not just keep the dates coincidal with T2? she broke out in 91/92. that would make John just about the age he is now in the show if it was set in 97.
sj - Feb 25, 2008 5:39:51 pm PST #485 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
Thanks, Frank.
yeah...they're really fucking with the timeline by saying she was breaking out in 1997. wasn't the pilot set in 1997 and then they timetravelled to 2007/08? why not just keep the dates coincidal with T2? she broke out in 91/92. that would make John just about the age he is now in the show if it was set in 97.
But then they couldn't do all the product placement of cellphone, computer, etc.
tiggy - Feb 25, 2008 5:40:45 pm PST #486 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore
what do you mean?
sj - Feb 25, 2008 5:43:45 pm PST #487 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
Sorry. I read what you said wrong. I thought you meant that the current time that they're in should be 1997.
tiggy - Feb 25, 2008 5:46:16 pm PST #488 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore
ah! gotcha. no, i'm cool with them time travelling to 2007/08, but why mess with the timeline before that? it just makes no sense except maybe they need to hire me on as continuity consultant.
Consuela - Feb 25, 2008 8:17:44 pm PST #489 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
The pilot was set in 1999, and they said they were 2 years in Nebraska with Charley, roughly. Which makes it 1997, although T2 came out in... 1991?
Actually, if you accept T1 in 1984, then T2 in 1997 makes sense for John then being 13--as I recall, he was too old in T2 to be only 8 or 9.
It takes some handwaving and retcon, but it's clear Friedman is prepared to do that, to tell the story he wants to tell. For instance, the adoption papers, which I don't recall from T2 either.
I liked the parallel here between Cameron and Sarah: both of them have the opportunity to help someone for no benefit to themselves, and Cameron fails that test. And yet, dancing.
My favorite part of the episode might well be Derek's incomprehending face in the doorway at the end.
Although I also liked the other confrontations: Sarah bitching him out about going in her room; Derek and Cameron over pancakes; John and Derek talking about John's childhood and about how almost everyone stops fighting at some point.
It's pretty clear Derek knows something went down in the basement room of that house: there was too much personal knowledge in that exchange.
Man, that was good.