yeah...they're really fucking with the timeline by saying she was breaking out in 1997. wasn't the pilot set in 1997 and then they timetravelled to 2007/08? why not just keep the dates coincidal with T2? she broke out in 91/92. that would make John just about the age he is now in the show if it was set in 97.

Thanks, Frank.

yeah...they're really fucking with the timeline by saying she was breaking out in 1997. wasn't the pilot set in 1997 and then they timetravelled to 2007/08? why not just keep the dates coincidal with T2? she broke out in 91/92. that would make John just about the age he is now in the show if it was set in 97.

But then they couldn't do all the product placement of cellphone, computer, etc.

what do you mean?

Sorry. I read what you said wrong. I thought you meant that the current time that they're in should be 1997.

ah! gotcha. no, i'm cool with them time travelling to 2007/08, but why mess with the timeline before that? it just makes no sense except maybe they need to hire me on as continuity consultant.

The pilot was set in 1999, and they said they were 2 years in Nebraska with Charley, roughly. Which makes it 1997, although T2 came out in... 1991?

Actually, if you accept T1 in 1984, then T2 in 1997 makes sense for John then being 13--as I recall, he was too old in T2 to be only 8 or 9.

It takes some handwaving and retcon, but it's clear Friedman is prepared to do that, to tell the story he wants to tell. For instance, the adoption papers, which I don't recall from T2 either.

I liked the parallel here between Cameron and Sarah: both of them have the opportunity to help someone for no benefit to themselves, and Cameron fails that test. And yet, dancing.

My favorite part of the episode might well be Derek's incomprehending face in the doorway at the end.

Although I also liked the other confrontations: Sarah bitching him out about going in her room; Derek and Cameron over pancakes; John and Derek talking about John's childhood and about how almost everyone stops fighting at some point.

It's pretty clear Derek knows something went down in the basement room of that house: there was too much personal knowledge in that exchange.

Man, that was good.

It takes some handwaving and retcon, but it's clear Friedman is prepared to do that, to tell the story he wants to tell.

Eh, the entire Terminator franchise has always required handwaving and retcon. This iteration doesn't seem to require much more of either than the movies did.

(I mean, has any version of this story ever addressed the fact that if they DO stop Skynet and prevent Judgement Day, Kyle Reese will never be sent into the past & John Connor will never be born in the first place?)

(And wouldn't it be funny if last night's ep did just that? Since obviously I haven't watched yet?)

They told my Tivo that they were showing it! Well, my DirecTV. Doesn't flow as well as Tivo.

I don't know what was up with that, but it happened with us, too. Silly TiVo!

has any version of this story ever addressed the fact that if they DO stop Skynet and prevent Judgement Day, Kyle Reese will never be sent into the past & John Connor will never be born in the first place

nope! i think they're pretending paradoxes don't exist.

or maybe all of them believe it would be a better world if John had never been born. that's somewhere they could go with it. by trying to stop the evolution of machines, John is sacrificing himself and no one will remember him or the possible future when that happens...