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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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§ ita § - Sep 21, 2008 1:31:24 pm PDT #4796 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think I surprise anyone by picking Ronon over everyone. John--there's something not quite right about him. I don't know how to explain it. Something about his vagueness I think would annoy after a while.


Fay - Sep 21, 2008 2:41:19 pm PDT #4797 of 30001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

I can see how Rodney's good nerdy qualities could appeal to someone more than Ronon's good laconic he-man qualities, despite the obvious inequity in physical appeal. However, since the former are bundled with egotism, hypochondria, and enough whinging to put an Emo 14-year-old girl to shame, there's no way in hell.

This.

I'm very fond of Rodney, and will read McShep until the cows come home - but, sweet merciful heavens, Momoa is insanely scrumptious, and Ronon is capable, efficient, lethal, laconic, has a sense of humour and has the emotional intelligence that Rodney so thoroughly lacks. (Have just been mainlining Season 4, and am slain by Ronon's reaction to the pregnancy news. Bless him. He is a wee scone. A wee scone with the most amazing arms, and a reassuringly big gun.)

Sure, hang out with Rodney for the clever and the geeky and all that - but for nonplatonic purposes, despite Hewlett's undeniable charm, Ronon really does win.


Juliebird - Sep 21, 2008 2:44:11 pm PDT #4798 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

maybe because I'm hungry right now as I watch my PD DVDs, but, what the heck does Ned eat? Highly processed foods? he brought a bear skin rug to life, how does he fare with steak? Chicken wings? Salad? Salad and fruits and veggie's are probably ok so long as they're fresh or cooked while they're still fresh. But, I really want pie right now and I can't recall Ned actually eating anything. I mean, damn, everyone else on the show gets to eat pie but Lee Pace!

I think I need to see if Concord Grapes are in season yet and make myself some bubbly pie.


Calli - Sep 21, 2008 2:52:14 pm PDT #4799 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

John--there's something not quite right about him. I don't know how to explain it. Something about his vagueness I think would annoy after a while.

I tend to be oddly distant and vague myself, so someone like John would probably be compatible for me.

am slain by Ronon's reaction to the pregnancy news. Bless him. He is a wee scone. A wee scone with the most amazing arms, and a reassuringly big gun.

Yes, Ronon's reaction was by far the best of the guys' in that situation.


Anne W. - Sep 21, 2008 2:57:28 pm PDT #4800 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

how does he fare with steak? Chicken wings?

I always imagined that he touched them twice really fast before eating.


§ ita § - Sep 21, 2008 2:57:44 pm PDT #4801 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Ronon just reacted like a normal person, right? I mean, unlike the objectifying/infantilising reactions of the other guys?


Juliebird - Sep 21, 2008 3:01:04 pm PDT #4802 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Ronon wins, hands down, but he wins me, not Keller. ME!

I actually wished that they would really delve into the intangible distant vagueness that is John Shepherd. I used to find him so intriguing with his loner-habits and seeming lack of family and general blowing-in-the-wind non-attachment. I know they have at times, but then it seemed either shallow or to destroy that initial mythos entirely. I still remember him as the guy who didn't write anyone any letter at all when deciding to join Atlantis (unless, of course, I'm totally misremembering).


quester - Sep 21, 2008 4:34:34 pm PDT #4803 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

the other major, who's name escapes me, was cool about it too. Lorne! Major Lorne, right?


Calli - Sep 21, 2008 4:51:06 pm PDT #4804 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Yep—Maj. Evan Lorne.


Juliebird - Sep 21, 2008 4:52:32 pm PDT #4805 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I'm sure Lorne was cool about it, because Lorne rocks. Until the writers give him more screentime and mutilate him.

I was unimpressed and underwhelmed by the Rodney/Ronon interactions this past ep. It felt like they were back to some sort of square one without the respect Ronon has developed for Rodney over the months/years, as well as the competence Rodney has obtained and the field experience and respect thereof deserving. But Rodney was extra whiny and defensive and Ronon was extra grunty. Sure sure, they (Rodney) was feeling defensive and emasculated with Keller's affections on the line, but, no.

And, the new runner, Kirek? I didn't buy him pseudo-adopting the girl in conjunction with his guilt over getting her village wiped out. It would have been so much easier to drop her off at a village, remove his GPS'd ass far away from her and keep running. They tried to do something emotionally complicated with his wanting to keep her, coupled with his readiness to die/stop running, but it didn't work for me. It felt so much like they needed a reason to have him have this girl with him, but didn't do a good job in explaining why he didn't leave her with a doctor immediately, rather than compounding his unintentional village genocide with risking the very life he's trying to save. Suddenly it becomes about needing companionship? Maybe if the whole dead village thing hadn't been involved, I could have bought that, MAYBE, except for the whole looming "marked for death, half-dead kid slows you down, his death sentence dooms the kid, lose-lose."

Not as horrible as some eps, but too full of contrivances and bad characterization for Ronon and Rodney for me.

I did enjoy Shep's moment of jealousy in the beginning, though. Seems about all he's good for these days.