Wesley: Perhaps the whole point of this experiment is hair. Gunn: I vote he's not in charge.

'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Calli - Aug 22, 2008 3:44:54 pm PDT #4345 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Ah, well, I've got to run and do family stuff now anyway. Strangely enough, they involve getting an old Highlander episode going for Dad. I come by my fannish nature honestly.


Typo Boy - Aug 22, 2008 3:54:07 pm PDT #4346 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I heard elsewhere the SGA was to some extent a victim of its own success. Popularity meant the actors could demand more pay which drove expenses up faster than additional ratings drove up advertising revenues. Plausible or bullshit?


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 22, 2008 4:10:50 pm PDT #4347 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'm skeptical. David Hewlett has to know he will never again have a job where the producers are willing to focus so intently on his character for so long, and I don't see Joe Flanigan being eager to contend again for a world record in failed pilots per year like he was doing before SGA stuck. Also, my impression was that Jason Momoa was done whether or not the series got picked up.

I'd tend to chalk it up to the American dollar losing so much ground to the Canadian one more than anything—shooting in Vancouver is no longer a big savings to anyone's budget.


Jessica - Aug 22, 2008 4:56:03 pm PDT #4348 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Just watched the Fringe pilot. It's *very* House-meets-Alias-WITH-PACEY, and as such, I will watch it in spite of the absolutely dire first half hour. (It takes a while for the show to get funny, and even longer after that for the show to get to the point. But by the end I was really getting into it.)


Juliebird - Aug 22, 2008 5:51:06 pm PDT #4349 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Naturally, as soon as I bitch about SGA, tonight's ep is pretty good, despite groaning over the previews for it. Especially since the McShep ship is back. And Dr. Keller is somehow not annoying. But, they're making me care, dammit.

I'll wait for them to screw that all up in the next ten minutes.


Juliebird - Aug 22, 2008 5:51:11 pm PDT #4350 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Naturally, as soon as I bitch about SGA, tonight's ep is pretty good, despite groaning over the previews for it. Especially since the McShep ship is back. And Dr. Keller is somehow not annoying. But, they're making me care, dammit.

I'll wait for them to screw that all up in the next ten minutes.


Fay - Aug 22, 2008 5:55:30 pm PDT #4351 of 30001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

I'm skeptical. David Hewlett has to know he will never again have a job where the producers are willing to focus so intently on his character for so long, and I don't see Joe Flanigan being eager to contend again for a world record in failed pilots per year like he was doing before SGA stuck.

This. Damn it.


WindSparrow - Aug 22, 2008 5:57:52 pm PDT #4352 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

I definitely agree that Ed's choices in the first two seasons have been spot on. Cranking up the whole mean/combative thing would have been reductive, not to say cheesy.

Reductive, cheesy - don't forget insulting to the characters and actors, but also off-putting to the viewers. Sure, a humorless, nastier Stark might be more realistic - after all, who among us has not experienced the tender mercies of a boss whose ego couldn't fit through the double doors of the workplace. But, and it's a big but, those are the jobs about which "Take This Job and Shove It" was written. Why in tarnation would any sane viewer want to stick around to watch some other poor shlub stuck in that environment?

The reason the Carter/Stark dynamic was so dynamic is that, while Stark might have a pure numbers advantage in IQ over Carter, they both did their jobs with a comparable level of competence and skill. That is the fundemental reason that they both end up doing those jobs in Eureka. You don't get to work in Eureka if you are not dead brilliant at what you do. And the two men have a fundamental respect for one another, because of that.


Juliebird - Aug 22, 2008 6:07:19 pm PDT #4353 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Also, if they wanted Stark to be in any way believable in winning Allison's love back, or have been capable of winning it the first time around, we the viewers have to see some glimmer of not-asshat.

SGA was a win for me tonight. Nothing flashy, not too much technobabble or gauntlet of snafus to overcome and therefore overwhelm any character moments, great structure. I need to go back and figure out who the writer and director is. Me liked.

Forgive any typos, I'm lacking an index finger tonight due to unscrewing a multitude of hoses, several of which were stubborn.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 22, 2008 6:14:02 pm PDT #4354 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I thought tonight was surprisingly good too, despite the derivative [i]Flowers for Algernon[/i] premise. I actually liked Jeannie Miller for the first time, and I don't think we're ever going to get closer to canonical Sheppard/McKay than that pier scene. If I just squint and pretend that Rodney first woke up sluggish and confused ten days after the brain surgery instead of refreshed and alert after a couple of hours, it's golden.