On my seventh birthday, I wanted a toy fire truck, and I didn't get it, and you were real nice about it, and then the house next door burnt down, and then real firetrucks came, and for years I thought you set the fire for me. And if you did, you can tell me!

Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Nora Deirdre - Jul 08, 2008 11:30:21 am PDT #3417 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

HOW IS HARVEY WALLBANGER ONE WORD?!

I wanna run home right now and re-watch!


Laura - Jul 08, 2008 11:53:37 am PDT #3418 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

I mourned the loss of Nine- he was my Doctor - but also accepted Ten pretty quickly.

I expected to hate DT and resisted, but it was, as they say, futile. I kinda love that the show made me love both of them.

EDIT: D'oh! Stupid grammar error! You think it'll never happen to YOU...

Hee. Truer words...


SailAweigh - Jul 08, 2008 4:03:55 pm PDT #3419 of 30001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Juliebird, you might enjoy this, it's a virtual season 5 by the same person who wrote the virtual season 4 I linked to a little while ago.

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Juliebird - Jul 08, 2008 4:54:39 pm PDT #3420 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Believe you me, Sail, the second I finished that fic (epic! Awesome! Epicly Awesome! Thanks for linky!) I began stalking and searching and looking for more and set a tracker on the alternate season five when I first read of the intent for it. Read the first ep, waiting for more!


Frankenbuddha - Jul 08, 2008 5:13:07 pm PDT #3421 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I can also buy Ten as capable of genocide or icily consigning individuals to their just desserts as he did at the end of "The Christmas Invasion" and "Family of Blood." If Eccleston had tried that it would have rung false in light of his prior performances as Nine.

I think if Nine was the one responsible for the destruction of both the Time Lords and the Daleks (ahem), or the first incarnation afterwards, he was so despondent with that kind of destruction he was incapable of such behavior (as much as he may have wanted when it came to Daleks) until The Doctor Dances. I suspect he would have kept that attitude had Nine continued, but Ten has the luxury of the memories of "everbody lives!" to draw on, and the distance of a new incarnation, so he's a bit more callous about those things.


Polter-Cow - Jul 08, 2008 5:54:33 pm PDT #3422 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I'm not sure I understand your point, Frank. How would experiencing the ebullience of "Everybody lives!" make him more likely to engage in genocide or dole out evil punishments?


Frankenbuddha - Jul 08, 2008 5:57:18 pm PDT #3423 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

How would experiencing the ebullience of "Everybody lives!" make him more likely to engage in genocide or dole out evil punishments?

He knows it's possible, so when he sees a place where he thinks mercy is undeserved, Ten's more willing to go to the extreme because he knows somewhere down the line another "everyone lives" may happen.


SailAweigh - Jul 08, 2008 5:59:36 pm PDT #3424 of 30001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Um, if anyone's interested, I committed drabble about 4.13 in GWW. SailAweigh "The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?" Jul 8, 2008 2:34:57 pm PDT


§ ita § - Jul 08, 2008 6:13:51 pm PDT #3425 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Ten's more willing to go to the extreme because he knows somewhere down the line another "everyone lives" may happen.

I disagree, since genocide is anti-everyone living.


WindSparrow - Jul 08, 2008 7:30:46 pm PDT #3426 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Austin, I was another big Eccleston fan initially, but Tennant has fully converted me into thinking he's better than CE in the role. Maybe part of it is that's he's had two years more to develop his character, but I love his maniac enthusiasm combined with that dark dark interior of him that makes him so very dangerous.

I think they were both perfect for the incarnations that they had. Nine, having survived the Time War and all that went with it, was very different from so much of what old school fans would have expected from the Doctor. It's perfect sense, though. Of course the Doctor would not escape all that unscathed, unchanged. Eccleston played that beautifully. Tennant as Ten was able to weave bits of Nine's damage in amongst the other bits of Five (my Doctor) and Four, not to mention glimpses of bits that must have been from other incarnations as well, as would make sense, him getting back to himself just a bit after all the trauma. Ten was a brilliant combination of the new with the old, history and future blending together, neither stale nor foreign. That said, Tennant, or perhaps more properly, Ten, could be a bit too much sometimes. The Doctor should go over the top sometimes, and being irritating and annoying never stopped him before. But Eccleston, or again perhaps it was Nine, was really more about restrained rage, grief, pain, power, not slipping the lead, not loosing control, not going over the top.