I can also buy Ten as capable of genocide or icily consigning individuals to their just desserts as he did at the end of "The Christmas Invasion" and "Family of Blood." If Eccleston had tried that it would have rung false in light of his prior performances as Nine.
I think if Nine was the one responsible for the destruction of both the Time Lords and the Daleks (ahem), or the first incarnation afterwards, he was so despondent with that kind of destruction he was incapable of such behavior (as much as he may have wanted when it came to Daleks) until The Doctor Dances. I suspect he would have kept that attitude had Nine continued, but Ten has the luxury of the memories of "everbody lives!" to draw on, and the distance of a new incarnation, so he's a bit more callous about those things.
I'm not sure I understand your point, Frank. How would experiencing the ebullience of "Everybody lives!" make him
more
likely to engage in genocide or dole out evil punishments?
How would experiencing the ebullience of "Everybody lives!" make him more likely to engage in genocide or dole out evil punishments?
He knows it's possible, so when he sees a place where he thinks mercy is undeserved, Ten's more willing to go to the extreme because he knows somewhere down the line another "everyone lives" may happen.
Ten's more willing to go to the extreme because he knows somewhere down the line another "everyone lives" may happen.
I disagree, since genocide is anti-everyone living.
Austin, I was another big Eccleston fan initially, but Tennant has fully converted me into thinking he's better than CE in the role. Maybe part of it is that's he's had two years more to develop his character, but I love his maniac enthusiasm combined with that dark dark interior of him that makes him so very dangerous.
I think they were both perfect for the incarnations that they had. Nine, having survived the Time War and all that went with it, was very different from so much of what old school fans would have expected from the Doctor. It's perfect sense, though. Of course the Doctor would not escape all that unscathed, unchanged. Eccleston played that beautifully. Tennant as Ten was able to weave bits of Nine's damage in amongst the other bits of Five (my Doctor) and Four, not to mention glimpses of bits that must have been from other incarnations as well, as would make sense, him getting back to himself just a bit after all the trauma. Ten was a brilliant combination of the new with the old, history and future blending together, neither stale nor foreign. That said, Tennant, or perhaps more properly, Ten, could be a bit too much sometimes. The Doctor should go over the top sometimes, and being irritating and annoying never stopped him before. But Eccleston, or again perhaps it was Nine, was really more about restrained rage, grief, pain, power, not slipping the lead, not loosing control, not going over the top.
HMOG, I just watched the last three (UK) episodes of
Doctor Who.
Spoilers up through 4.13:
First thoughts:
Um, mostly a lot of
"No, don't do that to Donna!!" and "Oh Rose, I want to be so happy for you, but instead I'm really sad!" and "Emo Doctor is emo!"
So, so, so, so, SO
over the Daleks.
OMG
HARRIET FUCKING JONES YOU ARE MY FUCKING HERO. Have we ever heard of her mysterious "Mr. Copper" before?
More coherent thoughts:
It made me
so very happy to see all the companions and their families, all banding together to save the world. But I was really chilled by the scene in which the Doctor had to face the kind of companions he had created, who were willing not just to die, but to kill to save their people or their world. Very well done. I know this show isn't known for its subtlety in handling these issues, but I find that I really like how the characters all swing around these questions of if or when, for example, genocide is ever acceptable. There's really no easy answer to be found, and I appreciate that.
Loved all the
former-and-current companions interacting, and Rose's sadness at being left out of the reunion over the sub-wave thingy, and then the Doctor saying wistfully, "Everyone's here but Rose." And the Doctor's huge grin as he ran toward her in the street. And Martha's awed "Oh, you *found* her." Yes, yes, my squishy shipper heart, let me show you it.
Ha,
and I also loved Torchwood and Mr. Smith and everyone working together to call the Doctor with SCIENCE and little electrical fires! That's exactly the kind of exuberantly cheesy hand-waviness this show does so well.
Surely I wasn't the only one
to catch the Doctor giving Jack a quick once-over when he told him "You were brilliant"?
Oh, and all the stuff about
Donna having something on her back -- how does that fit in with her part-Time Lord destiny? It made sense when it was just related to the fortune-teller and her giant beetle-thing, but now that Donna's broken out of that parallel universe, why is it still on her back? What does it mean?
I agree that
Donna will have a better time of it on her second go-round. I think she'll be more confident and she'll be able to get a good job and be happy. I liked her mum finally stepping up and defending her, and I hope that'll continue. But it was awful to watch her lose all those wonderful memories, and to realize what was happening to her.
Also, very much agreed
with Vonnie and others that the Doctor v2 is missing an essential part of himself, not being able to travel in time any more, and it's going to be hard for both himself and Rose to accept and understand the man he'll become. The review that called that last scene with them both sad and creepy was right on, and the idea of the Doctor asking Rose to save him with her love -- a second time, even! -- kind of made me gag.
There was
a lot to love about this three-parter, but also a lot that didn't quite sit right with me. Little moments felt out-of-character and too rushed, and the whole "oh noes it's the Daleks! again!" mostly just makes me roll my eyes at this point, however valiantly John Barrowman and Elisabeth Sladen tried to convince me that they were super scary. Rose felt off, and the ending was super sad for most of our main characters, and... I don't know.
On the other hand,
I don't know how they could have brought Rose back and made it really satisfying. As much as it broke me, the end of "Doomsday" brought her story to a natural and fitting end, so I think for me the end of this season was always going to pale in comparison. So maybe I need to give this a story a few days to settle in my mind, and then rewatch.
...Wow, I didn't mean to babble on quite so much! Thanks to anyone who actually waded through all that.
Kate, a friend of mine stumbled upon the answer to your question. In
"Voyage of the Damned," one of the travelers from the ship decides to stay on Earth, and the Doctor gives him a card with a million bucks on it. That man...is Mr. Copper.
Yes, he was
the inventor-chappie from "Voyage of the Dammed". Glad to see he's still inventing.
I read somewhere - or was it on the Confidential? - that the original version of the script for 4.13 had
Original!Doctor giving New!Doctor a piece of "coral" from the Tardis with which to build his own. Perhaps we can just assume that happened, even if we didn't see it.
(Well, I'm gonna anyway....).
Fiona, in light of that, I think Daniel's idea that
the Doctor 10.5 is still a very clever man, and could conceivably tinker around until he'd made something to gad about the alternate!galaxy in, just a wee bit more do-able. I wonder how long it takes for a TARDIS to grow - had been more or less assuming, a long time. Also if the Doctor has a heck of a time doing the job of six Timelords in piloting one alone, whyfore would it be reasonable to think that a semi-human Doctor would be better off cobbling something together that would be more manageable.
