DWx13

I also believe that she will find her greatness again, this time with more family support.

Yes! This! The Doctor may have given her the thing she shouldn't have had to save the world to have. He loves the humans so much, you know? And its such a human thing for her to need.

Who:

Yes, I'm fairly sure that if we ever meet Donna again (and I certainly wouldn't rule that out), she'll be CEO of a temping company, or she'll have found her parallel universe Lee and her happy, normal life, or both.

Actually, I agree with both SailAweigh and Vonnie, Catherine Tate is the best actress of the three, and Martha probably my least favourite of the companions; and Last of the Time Lords was physically painful, and everything. And yet, those four Season 3 episodes.... Oh heck, perhaps I just need to rewatch the second half of Season 4 to make up my mind. What a chore.

I have no idea where to put this, or, really, what, exactly, to whitefont of it, but I watched Casanova this morning (the one with David Tennant and RTD), and I kept on being struck by how much much of it looks like bits of Who, especially things like The Girl in the Fireplace and...I feel like there's another one with a court or party. I don't know, but large swaths of it could, visually and dialogue-wise have been lifted directly from it.

It also struck me (and it took me too damn long to realize it) that (very mild characterization spoilers) Jack Harkness is so RTD's version of Casanova it's not even funny. Because for both of them, it really isn't just a matter of fucking anything that moves, but there's a sense of real affection and a lack of sleeze that the character type could easily fall into that they don't have.

I mean, late in the miniseries (slightly bigger spoilers) Casanova (oh, and they call him Giac [pronounced "Jack"]) is horrified at the way his lifestyle has been twisted by his son, that for him it is just a fuck, and with very nihilistic overtones to that whole section.

Really, actually, there's (Who 4x13 spoilers. Seriously, this is just unduly complicated) a nice parallel there with The Doctor's reaction to Davros's point with the Children of Time. They've taken what he taught them and used it in a way that is fundamentally different, but you can see how they got there.

The whole thing makes me wonder if (very general spoilers, back to the level of the first chunk of wf) David Tennant ever made a "You know, I remember playing that character for you, only with worse hair" comment to RTD. That would be a funny conversation.

Next up, QAF-UK.

ever meet Donna again (and I certainly wouldn't rule that out), she'll be CEO of a temping company, or she'll have found her parallel universe Lee and her happy, normal life, or both.

The last episode I was able to rewatch before 4.13 was Planet of the Ood. In it, an Ood refered to Donna as "miss" and Donna got way upset. "Do I look like a miss? What makes you say "miss?" It pinged me because I, for one, knew I'd gotten fricking old when people started refering to me as ma'am. I feel all young and attractive when someone says "miss." Donna never did get married in "Runaway Bride" and she was only fake married in the library episode, which comes long after PotO. With all the timey-wimey stuff that kept happening to her, it made me wonder if some part of her knew she had been/would be married to Lee and it popped up here in her agitation. I'm way overanalyzing because I really want Fiona's scenario to come true.

grr...quick edit has killed my post. must try to remember what i said. back in five.

BSG: David Weddle and Bradley Thompson are leaving BSG to run c.s.i. (From Galactica Sitrep - and Jane Espenson is writing the BSG movie Edward James Olmos is directing - some casting spoilers at link. (Casting for the movie - nobody who hasn't been in BSG before.)

Who 4.13: OK, the Guardian review made me laugh, so here it is - Warning - spoilery, of course:

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I liked this bit, 'cos she's talking about us:

"I can't, to be brutally honest with you, work out exactly what happened. The jargon-heavy mid-section rather did for my chances of keeping a grip on the minutiae, but that's nothing that three days on the internet forums won't sort out" .

Casanova is horrified at the way his lifestyle has been twisted by his son, that for him it is just a fuck, and with very nihilistic overtones to that whole section.

I think his horror is more to do with the fact that Giac Jr. is knowingly fucking his sibling. i'm sure he feels a bit of disgust at knowing that Giac doesn't understand what it truly means (to him) to be Casanova, but i think his biggest problem with it is the incest.

of course, it's easy to understand that Giac Jr. has a warped sense of what love is and how to distinguish it from lust from just watching his father. so Giacomo is very much to blame for his son's cavalier attitude towards everything revolving around sex and showing one's emotion.

OK, the Guardian review made me laugh, so here it is

Hee! Wait, what three-fold man prophecy is she talking about?

I agree, Tiggy, but I think that that's sort of symptomatic of the whole thing, like that was the final wake-up call for Giac Jr being, basically, a monster. And, of course, yes, it is ultimately his own fault (If there is anyone who has no business parenting, it's him). They drew very clear parallels between their childhoods, which is what makes the difference (amidst the similarities) in the outcomes even more striking

It's almost like Angel and Spike (only backward)...I need a better example, though. That's not quite it.