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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


DebetEsse - Jun 29, 2008 4:02:09 pm PDT #3209 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Can I brag for a moment? (Who 12) I totally immediately recognized Harriet Jones' voice. And I called the bees. I'm feeling very good about myself right now. I think partly because I'm living in the land where no way can Sarah Jane be dead for reals and always (and Gwen and Ianto), so they'll have to undo it (for whatever value of "it"), and, this show being this show, that'll mean that Rose has to go back. I have no idea what's up with Donna.

Unexplained bits, then: the whatsits key Martha's got (like that's not going to be used); Why/how Donna is so special; the 1 second out of sync; what the Daleks are doing with the humans (officially).

Him staying regenerated doesn't make sense, to me, with River. I can't imagine if she never knew him with that face it not being an immediate, "Oh, shit."

They like to pull back in plot elements from earlier in the season. We've gotten the verbal call-backs (similar to Saxon and Bad Wolf), but I don't think there were any plot device recalls. I really think something from the library eps will come back, but I can't figure what or how.


Juliebird - Jun 29, 2008 4:09:20 pm PDT #3210 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

See, Deb, I took River's lack of "oh shit" to be her knowing that when she met him, he could have been an earlier or later regeneration of the regeneration that she personally knew. But, then again, I dunno.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 29, 2008 4:09:39 pm PDT #3211 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Which channels are running SJA, Frank? Is Sciffy one, at all?

It WAS airing before Doctor Who on Sci-Fi during the season for a number of weeks, but I've had the eps DVRd for ages, so I'm afraid it's ahemming or DVD for catching them at this point.


amych - Jun 29, 2008 4:12:01 pm PDT #3212 of 30001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

DW4.12: Hub sez, so they're gonna DDOS the Daleks?


SailAweigh - Jun 29, 2008 4:27:31 pm PDT #3213 of 30001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Guess I'll have to get my ahem on then. And set my TiVo to watch for it when it comes back.


Jon B. - Jun 29, 2008 5:14:34 pm PDT #3214 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

DebetEsse -- re: your last paragraph. I will not be surprised if we see the Doctor's daughter next week.


SailAweigh - Jun 29, 2008 5:39:38 pm PDT #3215 of 30001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Jon, after Davros said something to the Doctor about not having any family left, I thought "wanna make a bet?" I won't be surprised either, but I'm sure gonna hoot and holler when she shows up, anyway!


DCJensen - Jun 29, 2008 6:55:21 pm PDT #3216 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Who 4x12:

I would not put it past RTD to have Donna to be the owner of a special watch, one her "grandfather" holds for her.

Maybe Donna is Susan, the doctor's granddaughter. Marooned on Earth during the time war and hiding regenerated and "humanized" as Donna. It would be sad to find out Grampa Noble is not her real grampa, tho.


SailAweigh - Jun 29, 2008 7:12:29 pm PDT #3217 of 30001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Cripes, Daniel. I just watched the first 5 episodes of classic Who yesterday. I would have never thought of that! But I haven't seen enough of the older episodes to have any clue what might have happened to Susan. I mean, when I saw her, it was all a "but Buffy doesn't have a sister!" moment.

It would definitely explain the second heartbeat effect they've been playing with for Donna.


Vonnie K - Jun 29, 2008 8:06:11 pm PDT #3218 of 30001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

DW 412:

I've heard the fobwatched Donna spec in blogshere! Interesting notion, especially with those prominent heartbeats. Also fits with the sly comments throughout the season about the Doctor not being alone -- I thought that was in reference to Jenny, but if there is yet another Time-Lord hiding in Donna, that'd also fit. I don't know that much of Old School Who, but people also mentioned Romana, who IIRC was a Time-Lady back in the days of Fourth Doctor.