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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Susan W. - Apr 09, 2016 7:02:08 am PDT #29448 of 30001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Sleepy Hollow:

I haven't even watched the previous 3-4 episodes because I was nervous about the direction of the show and was waiting for finale spoilers. Once I heard about Abbie's death I canceled my DVR season pass and deleted every single one of those episodes unwatched. I can't remember the last time I was this devastated by a show, and I'm furious at the writers for how they handled her death, not to mention all the Ichabbie ship-baiting from the season that apparently continued right up to the finale. And I'm worried about a friend of mine in the fandom because she's been going through a lot of shit in real life and this was where she went for a little peace and joy, but I don't know her that well and I don't know if there's anything I could do for her, and....just argh.

And I find myself grieving a TV show, and I'm furious about that, because I don't want to give bad writing and terrible storytelling choices that much power in my life. I'm torn between feeling sorry I ever watched this show, much less got involved in fandom and wrote novel-length fanfic about it, and feeling kinda proud that at least I had enough respect for Abbie's character to let her be the heroine in her own story and give her and Crane a relationship and a happy ending that fit the show and characters as originally established. Also, that fanfic got me writing again when I'd stopped altogether, and now I'm dipping my toes back into writing original fiction, so there's that...but, dammit. I didn't want it to end like this. I wish it'd been canceled after last season, since at least last year's finale went out on a high note. And I hope it's canceled now, because Sleepy Hollow without Abbie would be a travesty.


Steph L. - Apr 09, 2016 7:37:30 am PDT #29449 of 30001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Susan, you don't have to whitefont, though it's nice that you did. We know it's a blackfont thread, even for big stuff.

That said, I saw something on Tumblr that made me guess what happened, and now I just want to know WTF????? We're several episodes behind -- I think the last one we saw was the one where, at the very end, Abbie went in the shed and knelt on the ground before the big symbol on the wall.

I kind of want to watch all the episodes we're behind to see how everything led up to yesterday's episode, and kind of don't want to watch. Because seriously, WHAT THE HELL.


sj - Apr 09, 2016 7:53:03 am PDT #29450 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I have last night's episode on the DVR, but after seeing spoilers on TVline and Twitter last night I don't want to watch it. I read a rumor last night that NB wanted out of her contract and the midseason death was supposed to stick, but the writers chickened out at the last minute and saved it for the finale. I have no idea if it's true or not. I really hope the show is cancelled, and I wish now that it had been cancelled after S1 because it never lived up to it's potential after that.


Susan W. - Apr 09, 2016 7:58:46 am PDT #29451 of 30001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Apparently this was planned all season because Nicole Beharie wanted out, which given how her character was treated after Season 1, I can't blame her for. And looking back, I can see the breadcrumb trail leading up to it? Sort of? But I still hate how it was handled. I didn't actually watch, and I'm not going to, but my understanding is that they changed the Witnesses from a one-off Book of Revelation thing to a lineage, more like a Slayer or Avatar. And so now that part of Abbie's soul can live on in the next Witness, and if the show is renewed Crane will end up working with her?

Which, NO. A whole world of NO. You couldn't pay me enough to watch that.

Oh, and apparently there's some kind of scene either right before she dies or with her ghost where she tells Crane that it was OK, that her role was to support him or help him transition to the modern world or something like that. Which...you turned the heroine of your show into a Magical Negro/Mammy trope?

NO. Nope nope nopity nope.


Steph L. - Apr 09, 2016 8:08:31 am PDT #29452 of 30001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I wish now that it had been cancelled after S1 because it never lived up to it's potential after that.

Yeah. I wanted S2 to be good, and it was disappointing (though I loved the episodes where Abbie went back in time). And S3 has just been weird.

you turned the heroine of your show into a Magical Negro/Mammy trope?

That's even worse than just killing her. Good Lord. I may not watch the remaining episodes after all.


sj - Apr 09, 2016 8:09:32 am PDT #29453 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Which...you turned the heroine of your show into a Magical Negro/Mammy trope?

Yeah, that's just a world of wrong, but I always saw it as Abby's show with Crane as her sidekick.


Sue - Apr 09, 2016 8:15:18 am PDT #29454 of 30001
hip deep in pie

I haven't seen the last two eps of SH, and I don't know if I'll bother. I don't understand how the showrunners can't see what worked so well in the show in S. 1, because they mostly seemed to undermine it in S. 2 & 3.


Dana - Apr 09, 2016 8:48:25 am PDT #29455 of 30001
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

Yeah, I won't bother catching up with Sleepy Hollow. What a colossal misunderstanding of what made the show good in the first place.


Jessica - Apr 09, 2016 9:33:10 am PDT #29456 of 30001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

If I were farther behind, I wouldn't bother watching, but it's the only ep on my Tivo, so, well, completeness.

I respect Beharie's desire to leave the show, but damnit, there is NO SHOW WITHOUT ABBY MILLS.

I always saw it as Abby's show with Crane as her sidekick.

YES YES YES.


Susan W. - Apr 09, 2016 11:16:14 am PDT #29457 of 30001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I need to stop spending my weekend dismally mourning a TV show, dammit! Especially given that I think it's entirely fair to call it nothing but a shadow of its Season 1 brilliance, AND to say that any number of fanfics, including mine, stayed truer to the characters and premise and therefore deserve to be my headcanon rather than what actually happened.

I did get in touch with my one friend that I was worried about, and we're exchanging grumpy texts about our sense of betrayal, so that makes me feel a bit better.