You're wrong about River. River's not on the ship. They didn't want her here, but she couldn't make herself leave. So she melted... Melted away. They didn't know she could do that, but she did.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


billytea - Jan 23, 2016 2:36:55 am PST #29064 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Moffat quits Who.

Aw, crap. I'm not sorry to see Steven Moffat move on. If it had been two years ago, I'd have been eager for him to stop; but his last two years have been some of the best Who ever, and a great improvement in his two greatest flaws (gender issues and overly convoluted arcs). Clara went from possibly my least favourite modern-era companion in Season 7, to my favourite.

Even so, he'll have been in charge for eight years by the time he steps down. That'll be longer than anyone save John Nathan-Turner, who only racked up 9+ years because the BBC wouldn't let him move on. It's time for someone else to see what they can make of it. (I hope that Moffat will still write for it occasionally. His four efforts during the Davies era are very well-regarded; they're all in the top ten DW adventures ever on this site, for instance: [link] )

However. In the first place, I'm not mad about Chris Chibnall taking over. Unlike Moffat, he's never written a particularly good Doctor Who adventure. On that ratings site, his best-rated adventure is Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, in 136th place - not even in the top half. I give it 7/10, and that's mostly because dinosaurs are cool. And the villain... to quote one site, "Plenty of people have pointed out that possibly choosing a Hebrew name for the insatiably greedy character was not the greatest decision ever, and they are very much correct." Doesn't fill me with confidence concerning his sensibilities. Conversely, season 1 of Broadchurch was amazing and deeply emotional television, so maybe he's learnt a trick or two.

I think this would be a good time to revive the showrunning structure of classic Who - have a producer to manage everything and a separate script editor to look after the stories. Better writers, like Jamie Mathieson or Peter Harness, who won't get the top job because they don't have showrunning experience, could still be responsible for the stories.

But the worst news is: no new Doctor Who this year!! (Except for the Christmas special.) This sucks.

In conclusion, at least no one can doubt Chibnall's love of the show. For those who are interested, here's a clip back from 1986, with a trio of Liverpool fans criticising Season 23 (Trial of a Time Lord, with the Sixth Doctor). Chibnall is the one with glasses and no beard. [link] It also appears as one of the special features on the DVD of Trial of a Time Lord (specifically the last part, The Ultimate Foe).


DCJensen - Jan 23, 2016 6:46:09 pm PST #29065 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

I want to know where in 1975 Quebec one would find a bar with a dance floor and a juke box featuring Captain & Tennille songs that's crowded with both hippie flower children AND massive belligerent thugs spoiling for a fight in broad daylight.

Pre-amnesty draft dodgers in the only english-speaking bar around?


Vortex - Jan 24, 2016 2:44:02 pm PST #29066 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

LOT: I hate both Hawkman and Hawkgirl (might just be the overbite, for some reason, it annoys me). Love the Family Cold and Sara.

The kidnapping did seem out of character. I would have believed it more if Stein had tricked him somehow, but the roofie didn't make sense (and, how did he get Jax into the car if he needed Big Bro to carry Jax out of the car?

Also, refuse to believe that the Atom doesn't have any effect on the timestream. If nothing else, I would think that Ray Palmer would invent other cool stuff.


quester - Jan 24, 2016 5:27:55 pm PST #29067 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

anybody up for a watch and post of the X-files?


JenP - Jan 24, 2016 5:32:25 pm PST #29068 of 30001

I am! Original intro. was awesome.


quester - Jan 24, 2016 5:56:54 pm PST #29069 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

so good to see and hear it again! But wtf is McCale up to?


quester - Jan 24, 2016 6:05:55 pm PST #29070 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

was it just me or was that scene on the porch really strained?


quester - Jan 24, 2016 6:23:05 pm PST #29071 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

That was the creepiest thing evah!


Vonnie K - Jan 24, 2016 7:02:10 pm PST #29072 of 30001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

That was some vintage Chris Carter nonsense, yo.


quester - Jan 24, 2016 7:09:05 pm PST #29073 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

No fooling!