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River ,'Objects In Space'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

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This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


billytea - Oct 20, 2014 4:42:57 pm PDT #26111 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

That bit with the hairband was excellent. (As was the hermit crab TARDIS.) There's a good collection of quotes from the ep here: [link]

That line about being an excellent Doctor I felt was a bit off. It certainly fit this year's themes, but it was perhaps a bit heavy-handed. Plus, Clara had been good (conventionally speaking) in the role. Unlike Twelve, she didn't show any ruthlessness about gaining advantage from people about to die, she was clearly affected by 22's fate, she came across as concerned about the lives she was trying to protect, not just trying to win against the threat du jour.

(Twelve too seemed to have more room for compassion with less call on him to act. At the end, dealing with the odious Fenton, there was a contrast between Fenton's dismissal of the dead and the Doctor's accounting for them.)

The Doctor's statement to Clara could be construed as saying that competence rather than compassion is what made her so effective. (It would be interesting if he were to go so far as to claim that compassion would make the Doctor less effective, since he's argued this point repeatedly against Daleks, Cybermen et al.) But the delivery felt wrong for that, as it's not really something for which Clara needed to be chastened there.

On the other hand, there were points about which Clara could quite legitimately be pulled up, most obviously her breezy treatment of Danny. (For the record, I don't think the Doctor was as approving as he sounded about her talent for deception.) I think too that there's something in her being so concerned for the Doctor's approval that she ignored a call from Danny to press the point. (I don't know if the Doctor thought that was unseemly given that there'd been a death toll; I don't think he really has enough credibility to make an issue of it.)

Anyway, for all that I think that line was trying a bit too hard to be clever (and the Doctor had in fact previously said both that she was good and had made a fine Doctor), I liked how this episode broadened the emotional landscape of both leads. Clara's becoming more accepting of the Doctor's morality, and more practiced at emulating it; the Doctor, it seems to me, is starting to question it a bit, seeing it from the outside with Clara. (I think the last four episodes have all, in different ways, given the Doctor something to ponder.)


Kalshane - Oct 20, 2014 4:58:23 pm PDT #26112 of 30001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Having watched two episodes of Gotham now, I'm still not sure what to think. It's like someone threw the 60's Batman show, the Burton movies and a hyper-violent gritty crime drama in a blender and then threw it against a wall.

That also seems to be the way they develop their scripts. Logic and coherency doesn't seem to be their strong suit.


Steph L. - Oct 20, 2014 5:24:50 pm PDT #26113 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I know I'm fairly new to Sleepy Hollow, but I'd think that by now they'd have learned to run AWAY from the spooky incomprehensible shit, not walk toward it.


Connie Neil - Oct 20, 2014 5:54:30 pm PDT #26114 of 30001
brillig

Well, their job is to fight the spooky shit.

And UST between Abby and Hawley would dilute some of the draw between her and Ichabod, which makes me nervous.


Vortex - Oct 20, 2014 6:02:09 pm PDT #26115 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Well, now that it seems that her sister has hit that, it opens the door for way more drama in the future.


Frankenbuddha - Oct 20, 2014 6:14:42 pm PDT #26116 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

And UST between Abby and Hawley would dilute some of the draw between her and Ichabod, which makes me nervous.

I really DON'T want that kind of tension between Abbie and Ichabod. I like them much better as destined comrades in arms.


Theodosia - Oct 21, 2014 3:33:37 am PDT #26117 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Yes to that, please.

Hawley as Scully to Abbie's Mulder would definitely work.

What happened to her ex on the police department? Was he killed off last year or is he still around somewhere?


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 21, 2014 5:25:43 am PDT #26118 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I think Irving's possessed daughter killed him.

I was just cheering that Katrina actually managed to do something in this episode.


Theodosia - Oct 21, 2014 6:48:28 am PDT #26119 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I miss Irving and want him back soon.


§ ita § - Oct 21, 2014 9:23:48 am PDT #26120 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I really DON'T want that kind of tension between Abbie and Ichabod

ICHABBIE IS CANON

(I miss Irving too)

(I don't get the point of Katrina, but if she disappears, the expectation will be for literal Ichabbie, which I'm not actually down for, despite chants)