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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Vonnie K - Oct 09, 2014 5:40:50 pm PDT #26009 of 30001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

The hills are alive with the sound of Tumblr Arrow fans yelling "FUCK YOU" at the Executive Producers.

On the plot move point, I see why they did it. To motivate Laurel to become Black Canary (UGH WHYYYY), to shake up the Team Arrow dynamics that have become complacent, and most importantly, to bring forth Nyssa, The League of Assassisn, and ultimately, Ra's al Ghul. It makes sense. But the WAY they did it -- it was such a passive, ignoble death. Sara deserved better than that.


Kalshane - Oct 09, 2014 6:48:08 pm PDT #26010 of 30001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Do we know Sara was in Starling at Ra's's behest, though?

We don't, but I'm pretty sure she told Laurel she was in Starling on assignment, so Ra's or someone high in the League wanted her there.


Steph L. - Oct 10, 2014 3:35:59 am PDT #26011 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Do we know Sara was in Starling at Ra's's behest, though?

We don't, but I'm pretty sure she told Laurel she was in Starling on assignment, so Ra's or someone high in the League wanted her there.

Even if that's the case (I don't remember what she told Laurel), I don't see why the archer can't be Ra's. Malcolm Merlyn is obvious, but still doesn't make sense, given her reaction. It would have to be someone she knew, someone who wouldn't make her immediately run or go into fighting mode, and someone who's a skilled archer. That would be Ra's or possibly Nyssa.


Kalshane - Oct 10, 2014 4:44:45 am PDT #26012 of 30001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I don't know. I'm assuming it's someone new. I imagine Nyssa or Ra's would elicit more than a "What are you doing here? "


Steph L. - Oct 10, 2014 4:46:05 am PDT #26013 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Clearly at some point we'll find out.


Tom Scola - Oct 10, 2014 4:53:55 am PDT #26014 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

I think the proper protocol for when Ra's underlings meet him is to kneel and avert their eyes.


§ ita § - Oct 10, 2014 9:55:14 am PDT #26015 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Is it still called fridging when it's to motivate a female character?


Steph L. - Oct 10, 2014 9:56:58 am PDT #26016 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Is it just to motivate Laurel, though? I'd be shocked if it didn't motivate Oliver. It will certainly give him more manpain to work through.


Tom Scola - Oct 10, 2014 10:03:16 am PDT #26017 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

The point of "Women in Refrigerators" is that the victim is treated as a disposable character, so yeah, sure, that can still happen if it's to motivate another woman. You don't think that Tara was fridged?


§ ita § - Oct 10, 2014 10:19:50 am PDT #26018 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think this is an absolutely necessary step to get Laurel to be Black Canary. It will affect Ollie because it's his show, but it's only going to pass as character development for her.

The point of "Women in Refrigerators" is that the victim is treated as a disposable character, so yeah, sure

I thought it no less importantly about whose mill you're gristing.

You don't think that Tara was fridged?

You'd be surprised, apparently.