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Okay, my first strong reaction to the second (first?) ep with Mr. Pink was Clara's comment about killing and crying after, and the in-show lack of sensitivity to that. Like it was so absurd that it was a legitimate joke. I haven't seen the whole ep, but I do hope that gets corrected later. Because as a default assumption that soldiers killing anyone, even in defense of their own lives, is a thing to treat as funny-ha-ha, is fucked up.
And for Clara to use it as flirting material and not get why it's upsetting to Mr. Pink after repeated inquiries into her questioning, which really should have made her at least take a second look at what she was pursuing, grosses me out. I can see her coming from a place of ignorance, but after the second "why?" she should have at least keyed into his discomfort and looked to what she might have said to upset him and then kicked herself for being an insensitive ass. Yet she continued to smile in mystification. Soldiers killing people, so funny.
Isn't teh SH premiere on Tuesday?
That's what the promo I saw said, but maybe scheduling changes have hit since it was put together?
I think she DOES know, and is doing the British passive-aggressive thing of joking about something that makes her uncomfortable and that she has very real concerns about.
the British passive-aggressive thing of joking about something that makes her uncomfortable and that she has very real concerns about.
Are you saying that not enough American people do that for them to get the point? My time living in the UK wasn't markedly more insincere than my time here.
No, I meant that, AFAIK, it is more a British thing to joke in order to deal with an uncomfortable subject rather than the USA way of just barging right into it.
If that were the case, I'd expect after he left for her face to fall to express that. Instead, it was a bouncy step that she left with.
I rewatched that scene again to make sure I wasn't misreading things, and no. So much no. A world of no from beginning to end, NO.
"You shoot people and then cry about it afterwards . . . is there something wrong?"
Honey, if you can't see what's wrong in that statement. Hey, let's ask the joke about how many Vietnam vets it takes to screw in a lightbulb while we're at it, then.
But what kills me is that after he asks explicitly about the "crying thing", so obviously he's upset, she continues to be oblivious with "I was just being funny". I could have handled it if was read as "I was just being . . . funny" with a thread of uncertainty at the end to show she was twigging to something deeper. Even if there wasn't actual deeper angst on Pink's part, there is certainly deeper given issues.
I saw no passive-aggressivity about. I see complete fail.
it is more a British thing to joke in order to deal with an uncomfortable subject rather than the USA way of just barging right into it
If you said it was more British to ignore it, I'd be with you. But passive aggressiveness is never something I've associated with them societally, at least not more than Americans. America is the land of "No offense, but..." as much as the UK.
The stiff upper lip is denial, not mockery.
Having finished the anti-soldier ep, I now get that it was a contrived way to tie into the Doctor's own anti-soldier stance, but it was clumsily and badly done. And maybe this attitude will be explored more on the Doctor's behalf, and I'll have to read back through the whitefont to see other peoples reactions to this attitude (I have a vague recollection of it referencing the War Doctor). On one hand I hope it is, to give more reason to this contrived beginning. On the other, I don't want to see a character/plot thread continue with such a contrived beginning (not that it is for the Doctor, but how they manipulated Clara's words to accommodate it).
I think this past episode of Doctor Who is going to end up having something to do with the Silence. The Doctor even said, "This is the silence at the end of time" to refer to the quiet in the future. Maybe the silence had to evolve to hide better after the Doctor's trick with the moon landing video? Pink being an astronaut in the future also made me think of the Silence.
Also, I think it is interesting that Clara continually lies to the Doctor throughout the episode. Usually it is the Doctor who lies.
