I'm sorry. You were going to ask me to choose, right? Did you want to finish?

Zoe ,'War Stories'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Juliebird - Sep 15, 2014 3:50:41 pm PDT #25705 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

If that were the case, I'd expect after he left for her face to fall to express that. Instead, it was a bouncy step that she left with.


Juliebird - Sep 15, 2014 4:04:44 pm PDT #25706 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I rewatched that scene again to make sure I wasn't misreading things, and no. So much no. A world of no from beginning to end, NO.

"You shoot people and then cry about it afterwards . . . is there something wrong?"

Honey, if you can't see what's wrong in that statement. Hey, let's ask the joke about how many Vietnam vets it takes to screw in a lightbulb while we're at it, then.

But what kills me is that after he asks explicitly about the "crying thing", so obviously he's upset, she continues to be oblivious with "I was just being funny". I could have handled it if was read as "I was just being . . . funny" with a thread of uncertainty at the end to show she was twigging to something deeper. Even if there wasn't actual deeper angst on Pink's part, there is certainly deeper given issues.

I saw no passive-aggressivity about. I see complete fail.


§ ita § - Sep 15, 2014 4:22:50 pm PDT #25707 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

it is more a British thing to joke in order to deal with an uncomfortable subject rather than the USA way of just barging right into it

If you said it was more British to ignore it, I'd be with you. But passive aggressiveness is never something I've associated with them societally, at least not more than Americans. America is the land of "No offense, but..." as much as the UK.

The stiff upper lip is denial, not mockery.


Juliebird - Sep 16, 2014 1:59:33 pm PDT #25708 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Having finished the anti-soldier ep, I now get that it was a contrived way to tie into the Doctor's own anti-soldier stance, but it was clumsily and badly done. And maybe this attitude will be explored more on the Doctor's behalf, and I'll have to read back through the whitefont to see other peoples reactions to this attitude (I have a vague recollection of it referencing the War Doctor). On one hand I hope it is, to give more reason to this contrived beginning. On the other, I don't want to see a character/plot thread continue with such a contrived beginning (not that it is for the Doctor, but how they manipulated Clara's words to accommodate it).


sj - Sep 16, 2014 3:03:55 pm PDT #25709 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I think this past episode of Doctor Who is going to end up having something to do with the Silence. The Doctor even said, "This is the silence at the end of time" to refer to the quiet in the future. Maybe the silence had to evolve to hide better after the Doctor's trick with the moon landing video? Pink being an astronaut in the future also made me think of the Silence.

Also, I think it is interesting that Clara continually lies to the Doctor throughout the episode. Usually it is the Doctor who lies.


DebetEsse - Sep 16, 2014 3:43:17 pm PDT #25710 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I rather hope that we never get more explanation, as the explanation tends to be a let-down.


Anne W. - Sep 16, 2014 3:48:51 pm PDT #25711 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I rather hope that we never get more explanation, as the explanation tends to be a let-down.

Same, although I fear we'll be revisiting the Monster Under the Blanket later in the season.


Juliebird - Sep 16, 2014 3:51:55 pm PDT #25712 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Aaaand, Listen continues the horrid soldier/killer casual insults that Clara seems to think is totally natural and without fault.

There is a whole debate here that is valid and not on-topic, but I'm having a hard time with how, with two episodes, a certain viewpoint is being held that to me makes Clara (but more importantly, the writers) a very ugly person (people).

I'm sorry that I bought a season pass. I don't think I can keep watching this.


Kalshane - Sep 16, 2014 4:52:41 pm PDT #25713 of 30001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Arrow Season 2 Gag Real: [link]


Trudy Booth - Sep 18, 2014 5:06:45 am PDT #25714 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

So, in the end, what/who were we supposed to think was under Rupert's blanket? Another kid playing a prank?

My money is on "interfereing time travelers."