Does anybody mind if I pass out?

Willow ,'Beneath You'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Toddson - Nov 27, 2013 9:02:39 am PST #24017 of 30001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

Sleepy Hollow: during the Katrina giving birth scene I expected something awful to happen - kind of Rosemary's Baby horrible. And I was expecting the kind abolitionist to turn out to be nothing of the sort - that maybe all the happy employees were actually being kept in place and on the job with either black magic or physical punishment.

It was kind of disconcerting to see none of that.


Connie Neil - Nov 27, 2013 9:40:07 am PST #24018 of 30001
brillig

Good people doing good! What mad plot twists will they come up with next!


Toddson - Nov 27, 2013 9:41:51 am PST #24019 of 30001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

But the good abolitionist got killed by the tree-demon, so I guess my worst expectations weren't completely unfulfilled.


Connie Neil - Nov 27, 2013 9:43:08 am PST #24020 of 30001
brillig

Well, tree-demon was playing Angry Birds on the house, so he was able to get in.

People! When constructing your Keep The Evil Out hexes, don't depend on easily breakable materials!


Theodosia - Nov 27, 2013 9:47:17 am PST #24021 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

A chainsaw would have cleared that up right fast.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 27, 2013 11:25:45 am PST #24022 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I was kind of laughing about Abbie using her gun against the tree demon. The axe was much more sensible!


§ ita § - Nov 27, 2013 4:20:31 pm PST #24023 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I thought this an interesting article about Moffat's lack of understanding of grief and its impact on Who. He does indeed have a lot of hysterically upset people, but not that many dead ones. And when it comes to the impact of resurrection, Kripke's got him in volume * impact, and Whedon's got him on just sheet gutpunch. I think I spend more time going WTF than thinking "that was a cruel and unusual resurrection that is affecting the show's plot and/or characters".

I know things will resettle the further I get from the article (that's the problem with Who--I have awful recency impact), but it does kinda read like the costs are being refunded as he goes. Not hard to think that after this weekend.

What is the price beyond "Some of mes have to not know the truth" and "Now I have to go find them!!!"? Per person, that's really cheap. But doesn't add extra sobs to re-viewing of Nine, which would be my favourite outcome. Maybe if Clara had bit it...or something.

Recency. I need to try and remember the episode better. I did kinda think "that turned out well!" which should be less and less what I think of new Who. When the Ponds were sent back irretrievably in time, my main reaction was "STOP WHINING, TIME LORD."

Huh. I feel I'm catching up with people.


P.M. Marc - Nov 27, 2013 6:21:31 pm PST #24024 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I am so far from being on the same page as that writer, I'm in a completely different library.

Of course, on the whole, I have preferred Moffat to RTD as a show runner on Who. (And CE is my least-fav of the new Doctors, so I'm aware I'm out of step with a lot of people as far as that goes.)

I had no idea how happy I would be to have Gallifrey saved, but it was a straight shot of joy to the gut when I realised what was about to happen (side note: I've now seen it twice in 24 hours, and like it even more on rewatch, and it made me weepy both times). I continue to believe that RTD didn't *get* Doctor Who, or at least not the Doctor Who I grew up watching, where Moffat, warts and all, does. (Moffat and I are in the same book, if not on the same page. RTD and I were once or twice in the same book, occasionally in the same library, sometimes in different libraries, and occasionally, I felt like he wandered away from libraries entirely and just cribbed from Eastenders.)

It felt like getting my childhood back in a good way.


Atropa - Nov 27, 2013 7:40:19 pm PST #24025 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Who was not part of my childhood, but I have pretty much the same opinions about Moffat that Plei does. Except about Clara. I should like her character, but she bugs me for some reason.


Calli - Nov 28, 2013 6:36:32 am PST #24026 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I think my issue with Clara is that she doesn't seem to be as into seeing time and space with the Doctor as the others. It seemed to me that Rose found exploring the universe awesome before she got all attached to the Doctor, as did the other companions to a greater (Donna) or lesser (Martha) extent. Clara seems to be "time and space, ummm-hmmm, what do I have to save the Doctor from this time?" and while I'm fine with companions doing as much saving as being saved, c'mon. You're seeing new galaxies and alien races. You don't need to be all blasé about it to show you're the coolest nanny/teacher ever.