Mal: There's plenty orders of mine that she didn't obey. Wash: Name one! Mal: She married you!

'War Stories'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


EpicTangent - Nov 19, 2013 8:21:20 am PST #23825 of 30001
Why isn't everyone pelting me with JOY, dammit? - Zenkitty

Oh, so THAT's the problem! It was the summer before 8th grade for me! :) Though you're right, that does actually help with the handwavium. (Thinks back fondly on the days before she noticed that P. Anthony was kinda pervy and still really enjoyed his books.)


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 19, 2013 8:32:31 am PST #23826 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Didn't Anthony write that book with a creeptastic section about a trial for a grown man who's "unjustly" convicted for molesting a seductive little girl? shudder


EpicTangent - Nov 19, 2013 8:42:40 am PST #23827 of 30001
Why isn't everyone pelting me with JOY, dammit? - Zenkitty

I honestly don't remember a lot of the details, but that was the pervy- 16- and 17-year-old girls were so often his protagonists/heroines, and were so often paired with middle-aged to (in one of the Incarnations of Immortality books) elderly men. I'm generally slower than a lot of the readers here to catch objectionable themes, but even I finally caught on to (and was creeped the hell out by) the trend.


Jessica - Nov 19, 2013 8:45:21 am PST #23828 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Honestly, I was going through puberty at the time, so I didn't really notice much beyond HEY THESE BOOKS HAVE SEX IN THEM I LIKE BOOKS WITH SEX IN THEM.

So, you know, probably. Piers Anthony is a pretty creeptastic guy.


§ ita § - Nov 19, 2013 8:55:13 am PST #23829 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

My puberty reaction was "those older men seem disturbingly interested in my panties." And I took all the books and dumped them outside a bookstore. I didn't even want money for them. Then needed to be gone, and I went back to Jondalar's epic schlong for my sex stories.


EpicTangent - Nov 19, 2013 9:00:50 am PST #23830 of 30001
Why isn't everyone pelting me with JOY, dammit? - Zenkitty

I think when I was 15 or 16, it seemed completely reasonable to me that girls my age were being treated as adults. Kinda cool even. But by 18 or 19, the girls started being SO YOUNG, and I felt like judging the 70 year old for dating the 17 year old was not only okay but right and proper.


Consuela - Nov 19, 2013 9:02:31 am PST #23831 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

So anyone else watch Almost Human? I like the cast, and the world-building isn't terrible. But.

Lyla Garrity is completely unconvincing, and appears to wear the same outfit for three days in a row. Kennex and Dorian are way too comfy with each other too quickly. Where's the tension, if Kennex blames a robot for the death of his partner and his whole squad?

Where are the female robot-cops? Where is the demographic diversity I see in Brooklyn Nine-Nine? Why did the one Asian female cop get killed off in the pilot? (I really liked her, what we saw of her.)

And why, oh why, did the writers find themselves incapable of waiting more than a week to introduce a SEXBOT episode? And once they did, why did the casting director decide that this was where he was going to use all the non-white actresses they'd been considering? And where were the male sexbots? Are there no gay people in this universe?

Argh. I like the cast, I do. But I'm giving Fox the evil eye.


Jessica - Nov 19, 2013 9:04:53 am PST #23832 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Suela, I agree with every point. I haven't watched the second ep yet, but I assume the reason for sexbots this early in the run is so lots of people will watch it.


EpicTangent - Nov 19, 2013 9:07:16 am PST #23833 of 30001
Why isn't everyone pelting me with JOY, dammit? - Zenkitty

I believe there was one near-naked male in the wide shot of SexBot, Inc. But I certainly never saw him (or others) again after that.

Other than that pretty much everything you said is pretty spot-on. I'm enjoying the show, but I'm hoping/expecting improvement as it finds its voice.


§ ita § - Nov 19, 2013 10:47:34 am PST #23834 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Where is the demographic diversity I see in Brooklyn Nine-Nine?

For the demographic of race:

  • ex-girlfriend
  • partner that dies
  • cop that hates him
  • black market doctor
  • Dorian
  • at least one MX in a pan of the cop shop
  • sexbot prime
  • woman being harvested for sexbot prime

I didn't see a lot of different ages, and I can only think of three women (I have had the hots for that Asian cop for twenty years now, i swear. She was recently a nurse on SPN) in law enforcement, but the cop that hates McCoy was complaining to a female cop, wasn't he? Or was he complaining to Minka?