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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2013 2:58:01 pm PST #23802 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I did not know this:

"When I started Stargate, I got the part, I was SO thrilled to have this INCREDIBLE character, to be playing someone in the military. I had SO much respect, to be playing someone who’s so smart and so liberated and… I thought “Yes!”

I had to weeks to move from Toronto to Vancouver. I flew out there, I had my first wardrobe fitting. And one of the things that was in… THE thing that was in the wardrobe room was a very low-cut tank-top and a push-up bra…

And I turned to the costume designer - whom I’ve worked with since, who’s wonderful - and I said “What… What is this?”

And she said “Well.. they wanna see what you look like in it.”

And I said “…but this… NOBODY in the military, no captain in the US airforce would wear this… while her male counterparts are wearing crewneck t-shirts and… I c… I can’t do it!”

And she said “Well, they just wanna see what you look like and take a picture and…”

I was like “…”.

And I PANICKED because I thought, I had just been given this AMAZING opportunity - I didn’t know it would last 10 years but I knew it was gonna be a kick-ass show - and I was like… “I can’t do it…”



And I started to cry and I said “You have to go upstairs and tell them I’m not doing it. And if it means that they recast the part then recast the part but you’ve cast a smart woman and you’ve cast somebody who has NEVER tried to get a job based on her looks or her body, I’ve always played strong, smart women, I… I can’t do it. So if they wanna recast the part I totally get it but I’m not playing THAT version of this character.”

But I’m saying this while I’m blubbering because I’m suffering that I’ve just lost maybe the best job of my career…

And so she said “Okay” and I said “I’m sorry, I’m sorry, I’m sorry, I’ve NEVER been difficult, I don’t… but I CAN’T do that!”

So she went upstairs and she came back down and she said “Okay, no problem.”

And I said “Okay, so what’s my costume?”

And she said “Well…”

And I said “Just… What are the guys wearing?”

So she handed me a black T-Shirt and the BDUs, which is what my character would wear in the field with her male counterparts, and that’s where we went from there.

But that to me was the defining moment of…

And I STILL cry about it because I still remember that young woman on the verge of breaking into the… new something big, being petrified that she was gonna loose it, but… I knew that I couldn’t play the T&A version of Sam Carter."


-t - Nov 18, 2013 3:15:19 pm PST #23803 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Wow. That's worth knowing about.


Consuela - Nov 18, 2013 3:59:21 pm PST #23804 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

OMG. Thank you, Amanda Tapping.

ita, where did you get that?


Dana - Nov 18, 2013 4:01:29 pm PST #23805 of 30001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I wish I could say I was surprised.


Juliebird - Nov 18, 2013 4:04:33 pm PST #23806 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I wish there was a moratorium on characters named John. What, is it a familiarity thing that showrunners things we'll be able to latch onto? I'm not looking for another Fox Mulder, but being able to differentiate between all the Johns and Jacks would be nice /post-Almost-Human-rant


Juliebird - Nov 18, 2013 4:06:33 pm PST #23807 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Go AT! Wow, I'm so glad that battle was fought, and won. How freaking scary, to seemingly almost get something awesome and potentially lose it due to integrity, not only to the character, but to herself (or vice versa).


Amy - Nov 18, 2013 4:25:43 pm PST #23808 of 30001
Because books.

"I neither wanted nor invited game."

Oh, Ichabod. You're adorable.


Amy - Nov 18, 2013 4:33:03 pm PST #23809 of 30001
Because books.

It sounds like Clancy Brown doing the Horseman's voice.


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2013 4:41:56 pm PST #23810 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Consuela, if this isn't at the right time, go to 21 minutes in: [link] (she talks about Stargate, Sanctuary, SPN, and maybe other shows beginning with S before that point).

(The crying part is so real...the terror and frustration must have been awful)


Jessica - Nov 18, 2013 5:32:36 pm PST #23811 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Holy cow, the Ichabod swoon level just got turned up to eleven. TOM MISON I LOVE YOU PLEASE PASS ME ON THE STREET SOMETIME AND RAISE YOUR EYEBROW AT ME.