Yeah. He's my hero.

Mal ,'The Train Job'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Polter-Cow - May 13, 2008 6:38:33 am PDT #2300 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

OK, I shouldn't be in here, since I'm way behind on BSG. But would this be the place to discuss Avatar: The Last Airbender?

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!11111111


Volans - May 13, 2008 6:38:51 am PDT #2301 of 30001
move out and draw fire

I'm only 4 eps into Avatar (with a smattering of more recent episodes), and I'm wondering how the various cultures map to the real world.

I get that Aang is based on the Dalai Lama. At first I thought the Fire Nation was the Japanese (shogun-style helmets, WWII style warships), but now I'm pretty convinced they are the Middle Kingdom. Their martial art looks a lot like kung fu, for example.

I would have made the Water Tribes the Japanese, but having them be the arctic tribes is more interesting. Haven't seen their martial art (if any) yet.

Just watched the episode on Kyoshi, and that culture is extremely Japanese, from the warrior makeup and hakama uniforms to the aikido. Since they produced an Avatar, and wear green, I guess they are Earth?

Anyway, if this mapping is consistent and intentional (i.e., rather than just taking appealing elements from classical Chinese history, the writers want me to understand that the Fire Nation = China), there's some interesting political subtext going on.


Polter-Cow - May 13, 2008 6:43:55 am PDT #2302 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Their martial art looks a lot like kung fu, for example.

It is. Northern Shaolin kung fu, to be exact.

I would have made the Water Tribes the Japanese, but having them be the arctic tribes is more interesting. Haven't seen their martial art (if any) yet.

Waterbending is TAI CHI!

Just watched the episode on Kyoshi, and that culture is extremely Japanese, from the warrior makeup and hakama uniforms to the aikido. Since they produced an Avatar, and wear green, I guess they are Earth?

Yep.

Anyway, if this mapping is consistent and intentional

Hm, I don't know whether the nations are actually supposed to represent countries entire since there is a lot of "taking appealing elements from classical Chinese history" for the Earth Kingdom as well.

there's some interesting political subtext going on.

Dear God, wait till you get to the second season.


sj - May 13, 2008 6:55:54 am PDT #2303 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Sarah Connor Chronicles dvd news - no release date but excellent prices for HD and bluray versions.

Hopefully, if they release it in August, like the article suggests, people will buy it and maybe the ratings will go up in the Fall.


Volans - May 13, 2008 6:58:59 am PDT #2304 of 30001
move out and draw fire

Cool. I pretty much love this show so far.

And I can watch it with Mal, who's in it for "the big flying dog and 'Gitarra'."

I'm going to guess that Chinese and Japanese history and culture both contribute to both Fire and Earth. I don't know how expansionist Earth Kingdom ever was, but my "knowing nothing about the 'verse" hunch is "expansive." Reason: you have two Water Tribes, one of which is decimated. The Air guys seem to be pretty thin on the ground (heh) too. So the rest of the world is Fire and Earth.

I kind of wish they'd used the Chinese elements and included metal, but that's another whole essay.


Polter-Cow - May 13, 2008 7:09:51 am PDT #2305 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I pretty much love this show so far.

If you love it now, you're going to want to marry it by the time you catch up. I love watching people get into Avatar !!

I don't know how expansionist Earth Kingdom ever was, but my "knowing nothing about the 'verse" hunch is "expansive."

Well, take a look at the map in the opening credits. That huge chunk of land on the right is the Earth Kingdom. Or was, until the Fire Nation took over most of it.


Glamcookie - May 13, 2008 7:13:17 am PDT #2306 of 30001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

If you love it now, you're going to want to marry it by the time you catch up.

So true! Love me some Avatar!


Nutty - May 13, 2008 7:56:36 am PDT #2307 of 30001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Yeah, I think the Avatar analogues are a bit of a hash. E.g., the Fire names are all basically Japanese-style (although the phonemic vocabulary is different), and there are political of Earth nations that are strongly Chinese (in spirit if not in details), but there are also vicey-versy elements.

(And also that random cabbage guy who shows up everywhere.)

But I think that's cool: it's a synthesis of several vague history/mythology systems into something new. Kinda like how the animals are (almost) all chimeras.

Also, it is the best show on TV for "Wait, I know that voice!" games. Everybody who has a cool or recognizable voice has been on that show, I swear.


sumi - May 13, 2008 9:48:04 am PDT #2308 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Moonlight is cancelled.


Tamara - May 13, 2008 3:17:19 pm PDT #2309 of 30001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

Nikki Finke is reporting that WB might pick it up. It's a long shot.