Stop means no. And no means no. So . . . stop.

Xander ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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le nubian - Jun 03, 2013 7:25:25 am PDT #22708 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Someone said that they wondered if Beth was sick and that was the final straw for her to kill herself. If the clones may have homicidal tendencies or risk of grave illness...hmmm.


sumi - Jun 03, 2013 7:32:31 am PDT #22709 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

You mean - that they are programmed to die once they become aware of their clonedom?


le nubian - Jun 03, 2013 8:37:04 am PDT #22710 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

No. I wonder if there is a flaw in the replication process - not only related to the lung disease (which we've seen referenced and Cosima has it).

But also a personality flaw as well. Beth had serious mental health diagnoses that were not only situational, Allison is troubled at the very least watching her former friend die.


Trudy Booth - Jun 03, 2013 8:46:15 am PDT #22711 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Heh. The Intellectual Property aspects are where I finally had my susupension of disbelief shattered. Not the clones, not the multi national conspiracy, not one actress playing a dozen things... but the IP is where I went "this is abusurd".

I'm still game-on, however.

Whether or not an expired patent on a human being would hold up in court, I think the more important point was that the contracts were entirely bogus, and any security or freedom they appeared to offer would have been an illusion. Leekie never intended to stop spying on his clones.

The contracts were always entirely bogus. That bugged me too. You can't have a legally enforcable contract for an illegal act. I can't go into court and sue my drug mule because she ran off with my coke. Good thing none of the clones went to law school or that whole episode couldn't have happened.

Again, I'm still game-on. I don't care that much that they are running loose with intellectual property law. If medical people could take it on ER for a decade (I knew some who called it "ER-ROR"), I can hack it.

But Mrs. S working for Neolution really surprises me. I'm kind of hoping she represents a third force or someone who went rogue and turned against them long ago. And took Kiera cause she considers herself better qualified to hide her than Sarah. But this show is completely capable of having her be one of the bad guys.

She left the photo in the birth-mom's bag, didn't she? I think that's a sign of "rogue force for good".

I was a little surprised that Sarah didn't secure Kiera before she told them to stick it. I'll attribute it to her being completely whipped from the events of the day. Because I'm still game-on.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 03, 2013 3:56:47 pm PDT #22712 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Only an hour until the season premiere of Teen Wolf!


§ ita § - Jun 03, 2013 3:58:48 pm PDT #22713 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I just turned on my TV to the marathon, and it's the end of the rave...all my love is rushing back in, and I'm shipping Derek/Scott like a ....like a lunatic. Srsly.


§ ita § - Jun 03, 2013 3:58:49 pm PDT #22714 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I just turned on my TV to the marathon, and it's the end of the rave...all my love is rushing back in, and I'm shipping Derek/Scott like a ....like a lunatic. Srsly.

IT WAS WORTH SAYING TWICE.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 03, 2013 4:20:29 pm PDT #22715 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Heh. Sadly, "Battlefield" and "Master Plan" do a pretty good job of derailing the momentum that the rest of Season 2 built up for me. And I'm sure now that Colton has left that WTF 15-minute-long Terminator ripoff shot of him getting up naked in front of the jeep headlights is going to bug me as an even more gratuitous waste of screentime.


§ ita § - Jun 03, 2013 4:29:22 pm PDT #22716 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The final episode works for me up until true love saves the monster.

It's a good time mocking Derek, though! I'd forgotten. I hope he's still stupid in S3.


Morgana - Jun 03, 2013 4:35:54 pm PDT #22717 of 30001
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

I spend most of my time mocking Gerard. My God, what happened to Michael Hogan's acting between BSG and Teen Wolf?