Gunn: We open a can of Machiavelli on his ass. Harmony: It's Matchabelli, Einstein, and it doesn't come in a can.

'Soul Purpose'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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quester - Jun 01, 2013 5:52:38 pm PDT #22702 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

I just finished the episode where Sisko hallucinates that he's a science fiction writer in the 1950s and all of the cast are different people he knows. Wonderful, profound and disturbing.


Typo Boy - Jun 02, 2013 8:03:05 pm PDT #22703 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Orphan Black - wow.

I 2nd this. One of the *smartest* shows ever. Attention conservation notice: the rest of this post discusses what the "intellectual property" brand coded into the clone's gene's accomplishes legally.

I'm pretty sure the "intellectual property" gene sequence does not give the neolutionist the claim the show thinks it does. Yeah, there is real Supreme Court precedence that patenting a gene sequence gives the patent holder a monopoly on medical tests that detect diseases revealed by that gene sequence. And even unintentional planting of patented crops is a violation of patent or copyright, and reproduction of patented organs is illegal copying.

But I suspect the fact that soybeans can be owned and people can't still has legal implications even under our reactionary Supreme Court. Even ignoring this (and who knows what our courts would do in such a case), Neolution faces three complications: the gene sequences are the result of illegal experiments. Also since the clones are over 20, any patents have expired. Neolution probably never filed patents in the first place because of the illegality. The third is the least important: there can be intellectual property protection for an invention without filing the patent, but (as a non-lawyer playing lawyer) I think the patent expiration is a killer, and I think illegal development one may have some weight as well. But it is a work of fiction, and I don't object to exaggerating how bad a bad law is for the sake of the story.

And even though the show exaggerates, intellectual property laws really have evolved in a very bad direction, especially biological inventions - either from genetic modification or bred the old fashioned way. Way too restrictive, and way too much corporate control.


Typo Boy - Jun 02, 2013 9:10:27 pm PDT #22704 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

And the show always takes me by surprise. That Allison's hubby really was the monitor was something I always thought might be. But Mrs. S working for Neolution really surprises me. I'm kind of hoping she represents a third force or someone who went rogue and turned against them long ago. And took Kiera cause she considers herself better qualified to hide her than Sarah. But this show is completely capable of having her be one of the bad guys.


Jessica - Jun 03, 2013 3:17:27 am PDT #22705 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I will be incredibly sad if Mrs S turns out to be one of the bad guys.

Whether or not an expired patent on a human being would hold up in court, I think the more important point was that the contracts were entirely bogus, and any security or freedom they appeared to offer would have been an illusion. Leekie never intended to stop spying on his clones.


-t - Jun 03, 2013 5:07:47 am PDT #22706 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I will be incredibly sad if Mrs S turns out to be one of the bad guys.

Yes.

I'm not too happy about Cosima's symptoms, either.


§ ita § - Jun 03, 2013 6:43:39 am PDT #22707 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Maybe there are good guys. Ones who know what's up, I mean.


le nubian - Jun 03, 2013 7:25:25 am PDT #22708 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Someone said that they wondered if Beth was sick and that was the final straw for her to kill herself. If the clones may have homicidal tendencies or risk of grave illness...hmmm.


sumi - Jun 03, 2013 7:32:31 am PDT #22709 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

You mean - that they are programmed to die once they become aware of their clonedom?


le nubian - Jun 03, 2013 8:37:04 am PDT #22710 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

No. I wonder if there is a flaw in the replication process - not only related to the lung disease (which we've seen referenced and Cosima has it).

But also a personality flaw as well. Beth had serious mental health diagnoses that were not only situational, Allison is troubled at the very least watching her former friend die.


Trudy Booth - Jun 03, 2013 8:46:15 am PDT #22711 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Heh. The Intellectual Property aspects are where I finally had my susupension of disbelief shattered. Not the clones, not the multi national conspiracy, not one actress playing a dozen things... but the IP is where I went "this is abusurd".

I'm still game-on, however.

Whether or not an expired patent on a human being would hold up in court, I think the more important point was that the contracts were entirely bogus, and any security or freedom they appeared to offer would have been an illusion. Leekie never intended to stop spying on his clones.

The contracts were always entirely bogus. That bugged me too. You can't have a legally enforcable contract for an illegal act. I can't go into court and sue my drug mule because she ran off with my coke. Good thing none of the clones went to law school or that whole episode couldn't have happened.

Again, I'm still game-on. I don't care that much that they are running loose with intellectual property law. If medical people could take it on ER for a decade (I knew some who called it "ER-ROR"), I can hack it.

But Mrs. S working for Neolution really surprises me. I'm kind of hoping she represents a third force or someone who went rogue and turned against them long ago. And took Kiera cause she considers herself better qualified to hide her than Sarah. But this show is completely capable of having her be one of the bad guys.

She left the photo in the birth-mom's bag, didn't she? I think that's a sign of "rogue force for good".

I was a little surprised that Sarah didn't secure Kiera before she told them to stick it. I'll attribute it to her being completely whipped from the events of the day. Because I'm still game-on.