Also, I wish there was a way to bring Slade Wilson and Cop Daddy together so they could be the show's cranky snarky Statler and Waldorf.

That's more than a little brilliant.

I'm not sure what you want to improve, sj, the thing I like about it is that it doesn't shy away from ethical quagmires. It did take a while to really grow on me, but I can't remember now how long. It is awfully pretty. I think you are pretty close to Barrowman showing up, though ISTR people complaining that there wasn't enough to his first few appearances, they were more in the way of teasers.

Eta: Tep's description of Barrowman's role early on is much better than mine.

I don't like Laurel very much so far, but I do like the blonde tech girl. Can she be the female I wish Paul Blackthorne was give more interesting things to do.

I don't like Laurel very much so far, but I do like the blonde tech girl.

I'm still not a fan of Laurel, although that might be because the show is really pushing the whole angle of Laurel and Oliver MUST Be Together But Not Yet! Because I'm totally not into the idea of them as a couple.

And Felicity (blonde tech girl) is made of 100% awesome. If you like her, keep watching. (I swear she gets the best lines in every episode.)

I'm still not a fan of Laurel, although that might be because the show is really pushing the whole angle of Laurel and Oliver MUST Be Together But Not Yet! Because I'm totally not into the idea of them as a couple.

In the episode I'm currently watching she goes from vigilantism is wrong, to I was wrong you are doing the right thing, and then back again to the first position with very little persuading to warrant such dramatic shifts in her supposed strong lawyer principles. It's making my eyes roll, but Felicity was once again adorkable and competent.

Tea: Barrowman just showed up.

the thing I like about it is that it doesn't shy away from ethical quagmires

To me it's blithely ignoring ethical quagmires. I guess I don't feel any sense of consequence from the whole thing, so Ollie can swan around killing who he likes, and Tommy will be mad, and Diggles kind of pout, but it doesn't mean anything much in the end. And Tommy's rationale for leaving Laurel was major weaksauce.

Teen Wolf Reject's excuse for absolutely everything is also kinda paperthin. I guess I know where they're going with him, but why doesn't seem as important? Other than he has a read hoodie, which he might have stolen on his way out of Beacon Hills...

I can't lie--JAR being lawyerly for even one second was funny enough for me to log in to FB and congratulate him on same. It's a hell of a niche...

I can't lie--JAR being lawyerly for even one second was funny enough for me to log in to FB and congratulate him on same. It's a hell of a niche...

It was weird, though -- back in the day, I would never have said he had chubby cheeks (and I'm still not saying that), but last night his face looked like he lost all his baby fat. And I get that he was lit and shot to be creepy, but still.

To me it's blithely ignoring ethical quagmires. I guess I don't feel any sense of consequence from the whole thing, so Ollie can swan around killing who he likes

Seriously. I am still waiting for some consequences to that. More than Tommy breaking up with Ollie, I mean.

I feel like a lot of shows would have made crystal clear by now that it's perfectly okay for Ollie to kill bad guys, whereas Arrow reminds us that this is the 26th corpse and whether he got what he deserved or not it's not Justice. They could still wuss out on me, of course, but I think they haven't yet, and that is enough of a win for me.

Apparently W13 needs proactive saving: [link] I am skeptical about the point of all that.

I feel like a lot of shows would have made crystal clear by now that it's perfectly okay for Ollie to kill bad guys

I feel they have, though. Everyone's issues with it seem at best decorative.

I don't, I feel like the question is still open (although perhaps not to most of the characters, which is a fine distinction, I know) and they may yet make it a real issue.

What I'm comparing it to is, well, Stargate Atlantis comes to mind, where storylines would raise thorny questions but then events of the plot or reveals would just make those questions not apply to this particular case.

While Ollie certainly thinks he's in the right, and Laurel and Diggs and Tommy and everyone but Cop Daddy, I guess, agrees, there's room for the audience to disagree and events may yet show that Ollie et al are, in fact, wrong.